Crossing Paths Daily: Obama and Ayers Shared an Office (Update: For Three Years)
John on October 16, 2008 at 4:44 pm
It’s nice to be the guy getting tips for once instead of the guy sending them. Yesterday I got two great tips from Morgen, a reader who had found my earlier posts digging into the Obama Ayers connection. Both tips appear to check out and the second one is, I think, big news.
First, the smaller one…
This Chicago Annenberg Challenge website from 2002 shows the total amount of funds given to Bill Ayers’ Small Schools Workshop from 1995 to 2001. The amount is not the $175K I had reported earlier. According to this page, the total given under Barack Obama’s direct supervision was $1,056,162. Adding that amount to the money given by the Joyce Foundation and Woods Fund during Obama’s tenure brings the grand total to $1,968,718. Just shy of two million dollars! That’s a lot of scratch, to put it bluntly. And don’t forget, this doesn’t count the 3/4 million that went to John Ayers during the same time period.
Now here’s the second and bigger break, again big hat tip to Morgen for his work on this…
Bill Ayers and Barack Obama shared an office. Ayers’ Small Schools Workshop, the one Obama directed all that money to is located at 115 S. Sangamon Street, Chicago, Illinois 60607 [Note the link is to a year 2000 version of their website]. Here’s a screen grab from the website’s footer:
In 1998, the address for the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, where Obama presumably worked, was 115 S. Sangamon Street, Chicago, Illinois 60607. Here’s a copy of their 1998 tax return with that address:
The CAC moved to a new address sometime in 1999 or 2000, but the shared office probably persisted for at least three years. I can’t say for sure because 1998 is the earliest tax information available online. [Correction: I can say for sure that they shared the same building for the years 1995-1998. Here is a 1995 progress report from the CAC with the same address.]
Now remember, the NY Times described Obama and Ayers as having “crossed paths.” Ben LaBolt, Obama’s spokesman said:
Mr. LaBolt said the men first met in 1995 through the education project, the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, and have encountered each other occasionally in public life or in the neighborhood.
I’m going to suggest that two guys working in the same building for a period of years probably crossed paths pretty often. For all we know, they had lunch together on a daily basis. Maybe, in an effort at conservation, they were even carpool buddies. After all, Ayers is a guy from Obama’s neighborhood.
Would someone at the Times like to contact Mr. LaBolt for a follow-up?
Update: Made the correction above. Also, Obama was a state senator from 1996-2004. However, he still likely spent some significant time at the Sangamon street address, especially in 1995. But even after his election he would presumably be working on his CAC duties at the Sangamon office, not from some other location.
According to this letter dated 1995, Obama’s office was on the 3rd floor:
And according to this memo dated 1996, Small Schools Workshop was also on the 3rd floor:
Do you think maybe Obama and Bill Ayers ran into each other once in a while?
Update 10/19: There’s been a lot of effort to identify the building in question. A tipster from Chicago told me he thought it had been demolished, but apparently one of Ace’s commenters drove by the area today and identified this as the bulding:
Here’s a flickr stream of all the photos. The building is shuttered now, but notice that the word “Hope” has been placed in the windows of the third floor. Maybe that’s as in “audacity of…”
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Maybe this is how Obama got him to write his book “dreams of my father” for him. After all, it looks like they were in touch on a daily basis and based on what I have read the phraseology of the two are very similar in their writings.
Obama is the biggest phony ever to seek the presidency. Bill Clinton was right (if only once), “this is the biggest joke……..”
October 16, 2008 @ 6:11 pmThis is a good timeline that I found that should show the extensive ties Obama has to Marxists.. it’s obvious that Obama is one of the herd…. I know about 10 items that I could weave into this timeline and maybe I will, that will show more Marxist connections..
http://conservativepolitics.today.com/2008/10/10/obamaayersdohrn-timeline/
1969 – 1981
Bill Ayers, son of philanthropist Thomas Ayers, creates terrorist group The Weathermen Underground (WU) in Chicago, home of Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn.
The “Days of Rage” riots began when the WU blew up a statue dedicated to Chicago’s policemen in retaliation for beating several demonstrators. The shockwave shattered hundreds of windows.
Statue rebuilt and blown up the next year by the WU.
The statue was rebuilt and provided 24 hour security.
WU bombed home of a New York City judge involved in black panther case.
WU set off a bomb in a bathroom of the Pentagon.
WU set off a bomb at New York State Department of Correction.
1970 Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn go underground. Dorhn on FBI’s 10 most wanted list.
March 8, 1970, three members of WU killed while trying to make a nail bomb.
September 1970 helped drug lord escape from prison and hid him out.
1976-1977 federal charges dropped against Ayers and Dohrn due to prosecutorial misconduct.
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1980 Ayers and Dorhns come out of hiding and turn themselves in.
1981 marks official end of WU when WU member Kathy Boudin commits armed robbery and kills three men.
20+ years of Barack and Michelle Obama
1985
Barack moves to Chicago.
Barack goes to work for the Developing Communities Project (DCP).
Barack obtains the DCP’s first funding from the Woods Fund of Chicago.
1987
The Chicago School Reform Project is lead by Mayor Richard Daly, Jr and Bill Ayers who are good friends, as were their fathers Richard Daly, Sr (also Mayor of Chicago) and Thomas Ayers (Thomas Ayers served as an advisor to Richard Daley, Sr).
Barack Obama is the leader of the Development Community Project.
The Development Community Project works with Bill Ayers on their School Reform Project
The law firm of Sidley & Austin is run by Howard Trienens, friend of Thomas Ayers, father of Bill Ayers, Father-in-Law of Bernadine Dohrn.
Bernadine Dohrn, wife of Bill Ayers works for Sidley & Austin (hired in 1984 by Howard Trienens).
Michelle Robinson goes to work as an attorney at the law firm of Sidley & Austin
1988
Barack quits work at the Development Community Project. Travels to Kenya, the birthplace of his father, where he spent five weeks.
Barack enters Harvard Law School.
Bernadine Dohrn leaves Sidley & Austin. She is unable to obtain a license to practice law due to her criminal history. Trienens says it was because she would not say she was “sorry” for her terrorist past.
Bernadine Dohrn goes to work in the office of the Cook County Public Guardian.
1989
Barack interns at Sidley & Austin;
Barack first meets and begins his relationship with Michelle Robinson, who was assigned to be his mentor.
1990
Barack selected as editor for Harvard Law Review.
1991
Valerie Jarrett, Deputy Chief of Staff for Mayor Richard Daley, offers Michelle Robinson a job as Assistant to Mayor Richard Daley.
Michelle Robinson insists fiancé Barack Obama meet Valerie Jarrett.
Michelle Robinson leaves Sidley & Austin and goes to work for Mayor Richard Daley, Jr, friend of Bill Ayers – husband of Bernadine Dohrn.
Bernadine Dohrn goes to work at Northwestern University School of Law as an adjunct professor of law as a “Clinical Associate Professor of Law.”
Howard Trienens, former employer of Bernadine Dohrn at Sidley and Austin law firm, is a member of the Board of Trustees of Northwestern.
Thomas Ayers, father of Bill Ayers, father-in-law of Bernadine Dohrn, is a former board member of the Board of Trustees of Northwestern.
1992
Barack and Michelle get married.
Barack directs Illinois’ Project Vote, a voter registration drive.
Barack begin teaching Constitutional Law at the University of Chicago Law School.
1993
Barack and Michelle founded Chicago office of Public Allies. Michelle is named Executive Director of this group which encouraged young people to work on social issues in nonprofit groups and government agencies.
Barack goes to work as an associate for the law firm of Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland, which specializes in civil rights litigation and neighborhood economic development.
Barrack gets on board of directors of the Woods Fund of Chicago.
1994
Barack on board of directors of the Joyce Foundation.
Bernadine Dohrn says “I still see myself as a radical.”
1995
Ayers works with Mayor Richard Daley on the city’s school reform program.
Ayers writes grant proposal for Chicago Annenberg Challenge and obtains $49.2 million over 5 years for public school reform.
Barack selected as Founding President and Chairman of the Board of Directors of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge.
Bill Ayers has Barack fundraiser and political coming out party in his home. Barack and Michelle Obama were both present.
In an interview published in 1995, Ayers characterized his political beliefs at that time and in the 1960s and 1970s: “I am a radical, Leftist, small ‘c’ communist … [Laughs] Maybe I’m the last communist who is willing to admit it. [Laughs] We have always been small ‘c’ communists in the sense that we were never in the [Communist] party and never Stalinists. The ethics of Communism still appeal to me. I don’t like Lenin as much as the early Marx. I also like Henry David Thoreau, Mother Jones and Jane Addams […]”
1996
Michelle Obama goes to work for the University of Chicago as Associate Dean of Student Services.
Barack promoted as Senior Lecturer at University of Chicago.
Barack elected to Illinois Senate.
Barack reported member of the “New Party,” (Democrat Socialist Party). They proudly announce their member Barack Obama won his State Seat.
1997
Connie Chung interviews Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn. They say they do not regret what they did and would do it again. Wish they could have done more. Wish they had been more militant.
Mayor Richard Daley presents Bill Ayers the Key to the City and named his citizen of the year.
Michelle Obama organizes a discussion panel at the University of Chicago.
Michelle schedules Barack and Ayers to appear on the panel together.
1998
Barack re-elected to Illinois Senate
1999
Bill Ayers put on board at the Woods Fund of Chicago.
Barack steps down as President of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge but remains on the board.
The Socialist ‘New Party’ is defunct after losing a supreme court challenge that ruled the organizations “fusion” reform platform as unconstitutional.
2000
Barack loses bid for U.S. House of Representative.
Barack, Michelle and Bernadine Dohrn are listed together as mentors with the University of Chicago Irving B. Harris Graduate School of Public Policy Studies.
2001
Bill Ayers donates $200 to Barack’s re-election fund for the Illinois State Senate.
Bill Ayers publishes “Fugitive Says: A Memoir,” detailing his time as a terrorist.
In an article with the Chicago Tribune, Ayers said, “We weren’t terrorists. The reason we weren’t terrorists is because we did not commit random acts of terror against people. Terrorism was what was being practiced in the countryside of Vietnam by the United States.”
Bill Ayers gives interview to New York Times. Published on September 11, Ayers said he did not regret his militant tactics and believed they had not done enough.
2002
Barack reelected to Illinois Senate.
Barack loses his license to practice law for reasons unknown at the time of this writing.
Barack no longer serves on board of Woods Fund of Chicago.
Barack no longer serves on board of Joyce Foundation.
Barack no longer serves on board of Chicago Annenberg Challenge.
Barack hires political strategist David Axlerod.
Barack and Ayers are scheduled to appear together on a panel at the University of Illinois Chicago titled “Intellectuals in Times of Crisis.”
Michelle goes to work for the University of Chicago Hospitals as executive director for community affairs.
2003
Barack announces his bid for U.S. Senate.
2004
Barack wins primary.
Barack gives Keynote address at Democrat National Convention.
Barack elected to U.S. Senate.
Barack resigns his seat in Illinois Senate.
Bills Ayers gives interview: “How do you feel about what you did? Would you do it again under similar circumstances?” He replied:[24] “I’ve thought about this a lot. Being almost 60, it’s impossible to not have lots and lots of regrets about lots and lots of things, but the question of did we do something that was horrendous, awful? … I don’t think so. I think what we did was to respond to a situation that was unconscionable.”
2005
Barack sworn in as U.S. Senator
Michelle Obama is promoted to Vice President of Community and External Affairs where she still works part-time.
2006
Barack traveled to Kenya and openly campaigned for violent radical muslim Raila Odinga, Barack’s alleged cousin.
Bill Ayers travels to Venzeula and gives a speech to Hugo Chavez, stating “We share the belief that education is the motor-force of revolution” or “La educacion es revolucion!”.
2007
February Barack announces he will run for President.
October 16, 2008 @ 11:35 pmVince P quoted Bill Ayers’ response to the folloiwng interviw question as…
I don’t like what Bill and his cronnies did in the past but after living in South Africa for many years, ’86 to ’08, several years before and after Apartheid was dismantled, and getting a first hand feel for revolutionary/terrorist thinking and activities and all the incrimination “propaganda” that gets pedaled in the name of so called right wing domacracy, I understand it.
I hate to admit it but growing up the south I had no sympathy for Martin Luther King while he was alive and wasn’t disappointed when he was shot. As I recall, the communist card was played against him and he did have a few unsavory associations. I now see his point. When the people that should be your friends become your enemy you accept friendship from any direction. I think we are doing to Obama what we did to King.
Ayers is not today what he was in the past and even if he was the association does not make Ayers and Obama equal. Working together does not make them “One.” They aren’t the trinity and there is no reason to believe that Obama is a communist (little or big “c”). They both hate racism. That issue alone will tie very divergent people together. And philosophical tension in politics is a good thing.
South Africa’s government is philosophically very diverse. There are communists, traditionalist (leader’s whim is the rule), muslims, Christians, capitalist, and so on (Christianity and capitalism are not synonymous). And people from all of these philosophcal leanings were allied against apartheid before it was rescinded. They met together, fought together and sacrificed together. Many of them spent time together in prison cells. That didn’t make them the same. They criticized one another during the revolutionary years and they continue to do so now. But, today, they oppose one another in running this country. The diversity creates the tension that keeps the South African government balanced (so to speak) at the moment.
I don’t think I would vote for Ayers but I wouldn’t refuse to vote for obama because of the association.
Question: Are we looking for reasons to vote against Obama because we can’t put a finger on a good one to vote for McCain?
October 17, 2008 @ 1:58 am“I hate to admit it but growing up the south I had no sympathy for Martin Luther King while he was alive and wasn’t disappointed when he was shot.”
Sadly, many politically active Christians would feel the same about Obama. Let us remember, the current political atmosphere in the evangelical community exposes the belief in God’s sovereignty as a complete fraud.
Work, vote, and pray, but do it with mercy and grace and a demonstration of Christlikeness. The volatile verbiage coming from the church is parrallel to that coming from the secular world.
Big surprise.
October 17, 2008 @ 2:39 amThis will have no purchase, John. While there are legitimate lines of argumentation to use against Obama, this simply isn’t one of them. Along with much of the rest of the GOP, you’ve been forced to attack by proxy and insinuation in this election cycle, and the arguments are not working. Whatever their intent, they come across as irrelevant.
If you believe that you can’t argue on the issues and win…then there is no hope for the GOP this year.
The points that Rick and Ennis make are solid ones: Why…from a Christian standpoint…is it necessary to demonize Obama? Perhaps it’s the inherent dualism in the worldview of conservative Christianity, turned to the service of a cultural schism. Whichever way, I’m not sure how this meshes with the Law of Liberty. (Jas 1:15)
October 17, 2008 @ 6:17 amEnnis – IMHO, you’re missing the point. Someone needs to ask Sen. Obama (in a public venue) why he has surrounded himself for most of his adult life with people who dislike, even hate, America. Bill Ayres, Rev. Wright, Father Phleger, his own wife. . . These people don’t just disagree with past policies of our government, they are actively hostile to the foundational principles of our nation. I was hoping, silly me, that Sen. McCain would ask this question Wednesday night.
October 17, 2008 @ 6:32 amCarol, I do understand where you are coming from but I really think we are overstating the case (not you personally).
Hating some things about America is not the same as hating America. I can’t say that I understand, absolutely, Obama’s perspective but I do think I understand it better now (having lived in a colonized country for many years) than I did before.
Colonialism BTW was nothing more than a sohpisticated and “civilized” form of slavery. And the attitudes we (including me) toward blacks ever since the civil war is a westernized form of colonialism. Obama sees that. African-Americans see that and they have a legitimate gripe. Expressing those gripes is not the same as hating America.
Many Christians “hate” abortion and are downright hateful about it. Some have become violent to point of committing murder to make their point. Does that mean they are “terrorists?” Does that mean they hate America? No, to both questions. We hate what they did but we understand it.
I genuinely do not believe that most whities see things from a black person’s perspective.
I’m not saying “vote for Obama.” I am saying let’s find more substantial reasons for voting either way.
BTW. I hate the fact tha McCain is married to the woman with whom he committed adultery but that would never sway my vote and I am saddened Christians are so shallow or graceless to think that way. It might just be that his experiences, including the mistakes, make him better able to lead. But that is another question.
October 17, 2008 @ 7:02 amGuys,
I don’t know that I’d call Obama a communist. He’s certainly a lot closer than anything we’ve had on the American scene before (at this level). And his comment about “spreading the wealth” certainly sounds a lot like European-style socialism to me.
But I think there are several issues here that do matter. The first is honesty. You say this doesn’t matter and yet it appears to me Obama has made a great effort to hide and downplay this particular association. I think it’s because he and Ayers were close. And even apart from his history in the 60′s, Ayers is still a radical. So the first issue is honesty. Obama hasn’t shown a lot of it on this issue.
The second issue is judgment. He’s literally run his campaign on his “judgment to lead.” And yet, if you look at the people he chose to associate with, quite a few of them are despicable. And please spare me the comparison to Martin Luther King. King may have been a leftist with a messed up family life. He was also the leader of an important movement whose letter from the Birgmingham jail is one of the outstanding political essays in history. Martin Luther mattered because he was devoted to something that mattered. What has Barack Obama done? What does he stand for besides the meaningless platitude “change.”
Finally, what this story also shows is that the playing field is not level. The media is not playing this down the middle and that matters. The gatekeepers should not decide the election. Let the information out and let America decide whether it matters.
As for arguing the “real issues”, you mean like whether Sarah Palin can see Russia from her house? How about the tone of McCain’s rallies? Whether or not rape victims in Wasilla had to pay for their own exams? Is John McCain too temperamental to be President? It’s funny that I never heard any of you complaining about these “issues” and dozens of similar ones coming from the left in the last two months. And they do have “purchase.” They shifted the polls about five points in three weeks. So, I’m going to have to disagree with you about whether this matters and whether or not I’m persecuting the resurrected Martin Luther King. It does and I’m not.
October 17, 2008 @ 9:03 amHey John,
I agree on the honesty issue but he is a politician. They all avoid the hard questions, make misleading remarks and call it strategy. Obama’s no better or worse than the others.
“European Style Socialism?” Europe is very different to us but I’m not sure they are completely wrong or we are completely right. I am pretty sure most Americans don’t understand the difference, especially our sitting president and that has caused a lot angst (I don’t fully understand the difference myself and I have lived inernationally for years and tried to figure it out).
I do think Obama is in a very good position to understand what is right and wrong about both systems. He is well exposed internationally. That could play out favorably if he is elected. Obviously, our system could use a rework.
I won’t say more about the association issue. I can’t say you are absolutely wrong. Just not in a position to say you are absolutely right and I’m just not sure it makes a good voting point. I do see shades of King, J. Kennedy and R. Kennedy in Obama. I might be a dreamer but, if elected, I hope he can follow in the same vein.
Your right. The playing field isn’t level and never will be.
You know why McCain is getting so much stick from the press and being pushed about like a limp puppy? He is catching the “karma” of the Republican mud throwing of past generations. They started the nonsense and now poor old John can’t throw it off.
All of this I say as one who has always voted Republican.
October 17, 2008 @ 1:48 pmSpeaking as a European, the picture isn’t much clearer from over here. I don’t personally know anyone more informed about America than me, and trust me when I say that’s not a boast.
Finding out by direct communication helps a lot, I am vastly more informed now than whenever I started posting on here.
As for McCain, it’s got beyond the point where he needs to do something incredible to turn this thing around, because everyone has realised he’s not capable of doing that. Carols’ frustrations about what he didn’t say on Wednesday speak volumes. He needs Obama to drop the ball. That doesn’t say much about him as a potential President, does it?
October 17, 2008 @ 2:15 pmMcCain is getting the stick from the press because most of the press votes democrat. It was 70% of them the last poll I read. After all, most of the press are gossipers which to me indicates pettiness which is at the heart of liberalism and socialism.
The fact is Obama during the debates never answers a question. Even a family member who is thinking of voting for Nader noticed that he evaded questions like a pro. She also noticed McCain tried to answer honestly. So, not all politicians are the same.
With Ayers, it is a classic case of evasions, “he was a guy down the street”, though he shared an office, started his political career in his home at Ayers invitation, worked with him for a couple of years, extolled one of his books while in the legislature (the book btw wanted violent criminals put away in their home not in prison).
His public record is he voted against helping a baby live if abortion failed, stayed in a church for 20 odd years with a violently radical minister who wrote a forward to Dr. Cone’s 1972 book (Cone is a black liberation theology extremist) ‘whites will one day wish they were black’ (I am paraphrasing but it is close and it shows his hatred of whites before Obama became a disciple). Then you have his whole family background, Mother was/is obviously a whacko left winger who went years without seeing him, is still under wraps and yet is my age (66) (while McCain shows his own mother who is past 90), Obama’s white grandfather, a communist or communist sympathizer, “Frank” the guy he wrote about during his time in Hawaii, communist, the guy who wrote the letter to get him into harvard, Alinski disciple, socialist/communist/agitator.
Bottom line, there is nothing in his background that identifies with any traditional American Culture. The media will not push for his or his wife’s thesis in college (but they will jump on “joe the plumber” and get everything about him), they will not pursue his “Ayer’s relationship”{, they will not talk about his time in the Ill. legislature and his votes for and against whatever. By the way he never voted against a tax increase which is exactly what he has done in Congress. All of this in addition to his denial of funds for the military in Iraq, which we are winning thanks to real patriots.
Only an idiot or a idealogue would conclude this individual has any merit whatsoever to govern us.
There is no marxist alive or dead who does not want to control each individual. Every country governed by marxists has become despotic or the regime was overthrown. This guy Obama is at best a marxist sympathizer, his white mentor, Ayers, even admits that he is a marxist.
Here is another thought. The idea that because this or that works elsewhere, it is not that bad or possibly good is not a valid argument. The real fact is one of the reasons Europe is what it is today is because of the USA and it’s historical association with aggressive capitalism.
Capitalism is a better champion of Humanity than marxism, or it’s cousin, socialism.
Rick, there is nothing in Christian dogma, pick your religion, that says we cannot defend ourselves against people who take our property and prevent us from living freely.
One thing you hear constantly today is “how bad things are”, “these are tough times” (unempolyment btw is 6%, real income has gone up over the last 20 years, etc., etc.). I predict if this total loser, Obama, gets elected along with the “super majority” of commiecrats in congress, people will remember these days as the ‘best of times’.
I am still hopeful his election will not happen.
October 17, 2008 @ 7:03 pmRalph – one correction – Sen. Obama’s mother died several years ago of cancer.
October 17, 2008 @ 7:14 pmKeith,
You have a point. The most frustrating thing to me (and like Carol I’m frustrated) is that he often seems too willing to make peace when he’s being attacked. Check out this grilling he took from David Letterman. Granted it’s an entertainment show, but it’s also being broadcast to several million voters. And McCain is essentially apologizing for everything. Note that he has an answer for Dave’s jab about “terrorists plural” because he mentions that Ayers wife was on the FBI most wanted list earlier. But he doesn’t try to make the point again. He just throws up his hands and says “millions of words…”
I don’t know why McCain refuses to fight but he’s far to gracious. Compare this to Obama who still (when asked by O’Reilly or on 60 Minutes) won’t concede the surge was a good idea. When pressed he fights back (stupidly I’d add, but at least he fights). McCain doesn’t seem to want it.
It does drive me nuts. He could win. He could fight. He’s just choosing not to do it far too often.
October 17, 2008 @ 8:26 pmFor the record Rev. Wright is the Rush Limbaugh of the black community. Both are very entertaining. Neither should be used as “evidence” against the candidates. The difference is, Write speaks to issues that have torn this nation apart for a very long time and we still can’t get it right.
The press does not decide the election. Thinking voters do. The press (and others) shredded Reagons “trickle down” theories and looking back there were some very questionable trends during his administration. He got elected twice because he could lead in spite of the press. McCain’s war experiences did nothing to help him handle political bullets and that is what he needs right now.
I don’t know how good a president Obama would be but I am sure we don’t need McCain in office.
October 17, 2008 @ 10:06 pmRalph
Yeah, one of the reasons, sure. But one of the reasone the USA is what it is today is because of the positive values and work ethic it got from Europe. Capitalism was big in England long before the first fleet set sail.
Really? Pettiness is at the heart of liberalism and socialism? Quite the reverse, it’s concern for the wider picture that is at the heart of socialism. The worst gossipers I know are all conservatives, and the most petty newspapers in Britain are all conservative. All of which proves nothing, except that your point is untrue.
John
For all I have grave doubts about him as President, Obama does seem to be doing a better job of trying to win the election than McCain. I’m pretty much resigned to hoping I’m wrong about Obama.
October 18, 2008 @ 3:02 amI believe it is called the New Testament. Violence is forbiden, even if defending our Lord (see Garden of Gethsemane). Your view is political, not Scriptural.
October 18, 2008 @ 5:34 amI have to agree with Keith. America is the recipient not the benefactor. Even our Declaration of Independence and Consitution are modeled after the Magna Carta. Europe is the big brother that has been around a lot longer, fought many more wars and has discovered more answers than we have questions for. We can’t even free ourselves from their theology (no names mentioned).
They aren’t completely right (who is) but we have no right to the “we made you who you are attitude.” We were born with a “silver spoon in the mouth” and have developed the attitude to go with it. Outside America the US is viewed as the bully that pushes everyone else around especially on a financial level. We may not like that but it is the perception and perceptions are usually based in truth.
October 18, 2008 @ 8:07 amIt is so amusing to read the rants of the right wingnuts who profess to be Christians. We hear all about forgiveness, love your enemy, and hate the sin but not the sinnner. I think all of this is quite admirable and whether you are religious or not, virtually every civilized society practices these humanistic tenets. From the sounds coming from this blog, I sense a very strong hint of “forgive the sinner, only if he is a Republican”. Such paranoid drivel.
October 18, 2008 @ 9:21 amRoger – who has repented and asked for forgiveness? Certainly not William Ayers or Rev. Wright or Sen. Obama. The first two revel in their hatred and bigotry and the third has never, to my mind, exhibited anything other than total belief and confidence in the rightness of his positions and alliances (unless they become politically inconvenient, at which point he disavows any knowledge of the problematical behavior and can’t run away fast enough).
I have no doubt that, should Mr. Ayers or Rev. Wright express remorse for their past actions and statements and the harm they have done to others, and ask for forgiveness from those harmed, that most of the Christians posting on this site would be willing to forgive.
October 18, 2008 @ 10:32 amThe MSM has a dog in this fight and that will prevent them from taking a serious look at the relationship between the Messiah and Ayres (or any of the other goofballs this guy has palled around with). We have to come to grips with the fact that this thing is over – Obama will win (and in a landslide). This outcome does not negate the sovereignty of God. With the economic mess and the Messiah’s upcoming victory, could we be looking at the “birth pangs” that will usher in the end of the age?
Roger, as usual, your comments are drenched in condescension. By the way, most humanistic societies have strings attached to forgiveness, they certainly don’t love their enemies and they have no concept of sin and hating it. I’d stay out of the theological arena son, it doesn’t fit you well.
October 18, 2008 @ 11:02 amIt was forbidden in that particular circumstance, as Christ’s mission was not fulfilled to die on the Cros yet. Elsewhere (and we can assume that Paul was inspired), the Apostle Paul writes that the sword of government is not wielded in vain. Christ also elsewhere warned that someday it might be necessary to purchase a sword. In a fallen world violence is ofen all that stands on behalf of justice. Else the world would run amock in child molsesters, shoplifters, and other vagrants who prey on the weak.
If violence is forbidden in all contexts across the board, we could not defend ourselves in the our own homes from invaders, and the government could not apprehend criminals who as you know are not always willing to go down willingly without handcuffs.
October 18, 2008 @ 12:20 pmWell Keith and Ennis:
Seeing that Europe long ago gave into socialism, Nanny Statism, all bets are off. While the euros did fight many wars–mostly of their own faults for vacillating between various ideologies–it seems that since comfort and hedonism and false premises, and false economic math are what now animate a demographically dying continent, I think I’ll stick with capitalism.
October 18, 2008 @ 12:25 pmRoger, if a terrorist who to this day has not even asked for absolution and foregiveness, where are we to go from there regardless of faith or not?!
Christian foregiveness IS the backbone of our theology, but this foregiveness is about the spiritual dimension. It is NOt a license for continuance of a sin or the advocacy of Ayers’ style horror and revolutionary bile. Nor does it mean by any stretch that we are not to be held accountable by secular authorities for crimes. If I kill someone, I very well could meet Mr. Sparky or continue revolutionary scribblings on the inside of four concrete walls. Ayers beat the rap. He’s luckier than he knows. No where in Scripture is there ANY indication that murder and mayhem go unpunished, or should. Did Jesus reach over from the Cross and yank the two criminals on his sides of their own crosses?
He promised one of them, when asked, salvation on that day. He did not remove the spikes from his hands.
Jesus told the adulterous woman thrown at his feet to “go and sin no more.”
He did NOT say, “by all means, go ye therefore and continue being a whore.”
October 18, 2008 @ 1:57 pmWakefiled, you go all gaga when you start on Europe. Why is that?
Any evidence for that? For Europe, I mean, not individual countries.
What does that mean?
Evidence? Nah, thought not – who needs evidence when you got opinions, eh?
Kinda like what we have in Europe, huh? Me, too.
FWIW, Ennis agreed with more than I meant. I simply meant the aggregate ‘benefit’ was probably about even, and that both the US and Europe were richer for the other. To give an example, take the phrase “As American as apple pie” – how many of the ingredients of apple pie do you think weren’t introduced from Europe?
October 18, 2008 @ 2:30 pmYes, Keith.
The evidence is in the demograpics and the attitudes.
When the political choices are eurodee and eurodum, and finding ever new ways to kowtow to Islamism, I’d say on the whole things are rotten to the core.
When life is one big party time, the greater ideas get pushed to the sides. Britain has now done the unthinkable and the asinine: Sharia law is now enacted. I’d say this is strong evidence that one of the last nails is now being inserted into the coffin. On the Continent itself, there are some who won’t go willingly into Eurabia, true, but alas they have no choice on the local level, and are just packing up and leaving, while the more common names in the materinity wards are “mohammed” and its variants.
Praise be to Allah.
October 18, 2008 @ 2:47 pmYou have what any economist would say is “market socialism”, a hybrd blend of mixed–with everthing that adjective entails, Keith.
October 18, 2008 @ 2:49 pmGoogle ‘The Obama File’
October 18, 2008 @ 4:32 pmFantastic expose.
Thanks for the sage advice Jim Bob. Since I obviously don’t navigate the theological arena as well as you, I appreciate your true Christian perspective on things. Although the whole concept of love, forgiveness, turning the other cheek, etc. is a relatively easy concept to grasp, it is nice to know that we are blessed with Christians who actually live their religion instead of talking it.
Wait a minute now! Are you the same Jim Bob who a week or so ago commented on how you would like to rearrange the face of some guy you disagreed with?
“Say it ain’t so Joe,” er Jim.
For the rest of the readers – I spent last week traveling around Ireland visiting family and friends.
October 18, 2008 @ 5:22 pmThe number one topic for discussion in all the pubs and cafes is the American election. Obama is far and away the most respected political operative on the political scene in America. McCain is viewed as a dottering old fool and his moose hunting running mate as fodder for the comedians. A very popular web site that is getting a lot of play in the EU is iftheworldcouldvote.com. I suggest that you all take a look at it and find out how far out of touch the American wingnuts really are.
[...] for three years. Likely the same floor. So, maybe they bumped into one another from time to time. [...]
October 18, 2008 @ 6:59 pmRoger, that’s nice. I imagine that they get their media quite well filtered, by and large.
But more to the point, how come Obama’s such a serial liar, and how is it that so many of the apparently significant facts of his life appear nowhere at all in his “political autobiographies”?
October 18, 2008 @ 7:12 pm[...] do you think Obama and Ayers ran into each other, once in a [...]
October 18, 2008 @ 7:18 pmAyers repulses me, but I realize that more than half the country couldn’t care less about him. That troubles me, but I can’t do anything about it.
But the Ayers is easy. From what I understand, Obama, as chair, and Ayers, as the driving force, seem to have driven the distributions from the $161 million that they administered on the Chicago Annenberg Challenge. I also understand that, rather than distributing their fund directly to schools for purposes of improving academic achievement, Obama and Ayers with the other board members along for the ride distributed the money to “External Partners” who, in turn, used the money to work with schools to devolope “direct action” programs for the school. What a waste of financial resources
The August 2003 report that evaluated the results of the CAC concluded that CAC’s seven-year, $161 million effort achieved no improvement for the schools affected. In short, Obama was an absolute failure in the one example of his executive experience–and, just as important, he was a lousy steward of other people’s money in the process.
October 18, 2008 @ 7:29 pmYou may want to Google map and streetview the address. 115 is either a fenced off parking lot on the east side, or a four story on the (usually) even numbered west side-they couldn’t avoid seeing each other when they were there if that’s the building.
October 18, 2008 @ 7:30 pmObama lost his law license? And we don’t know why?
October 18, 2008 @ 7:37 pmWith Google Maps, you can get a street-view of 115 S. Sangamon Street, Chicago, Illinios 60607, which shows a fairly nice four-story low-rise office building.
This is interesting. But you need more than just addresses on letterheads or websites of organizations with which the two men were associated before you can make a credible case that they “shared an office” in a day-to-day sense.
Someone needs to do some shoe-leather reporting, speaking to other people in those offices, for this to become credible.
October 18, 2008 @ 7:37 pmI can’t believe some of the arguments I am hearing from CHRISTIANS in favor of Obama. They seem to suggest that it is just fine that Obama himself, and his supporters, continue to outright lie to cover up his close associations with a good number of unsavory people.
McCain has made his mistakes, is called out on them, and makes emphatic apologies–like EVERY Christian should. Barack Obama continues to lie and skate the issues, as does his supporters. They need to admit their mistakes and ask forgiveness if they truly want to claim to be Christians.
Attacking people like Joe (Steve Joe W.) the Plumber certainly is not Christian. Jesus certainly did not act in that way. Obama was the one who approached him in his own yard out of the blue, and it was Obama who decided to use phrases such as “spread the wealth…”
October 18, 2008 @ 7:39 pmI’m sorry Roger, I just can’t get worked up about what people in Ireland think about Obama, McCain or Palin. First, they won’t have to live in the US under either one of them no matter who is elected and second, the US will be there to bail their butt out of trouble if needed. They have a hard time not bombing their own countrymen for heaven’s sake. So we don’t need to be lectured by them.
It’s not that the US people are any better than anyone else or is never wrong but since WWII we have been the undeniable world leader economically and militarily. Let’s face it, as a leader you receive the arrows. It’s kind of like the NY Yankees. Most of us hate them and criticize them because they have the most resources available to consistently put a winning team on the field year after year……but we all wish our teams could do it.
I think there is a lot of envy towards the US by a lot of people who wish they could pull them down a world leader to their own level. Mediocrity always seeks company.
Have you noticed in the US we don’t have websites polling Americans about who should win foreign elections? IMO it matters but not to most Americans.
So enjoy you polls and I could care less what the Euro’s or any other country think about who I vote for.
October 18, 2008 @ 7:40 pm[...] And not at all during the three years they both had an office on the same floor of the same building? [...]
October 18, 2008 @ 7:41 pmYou HAVE to SEND THIS TO DRUDGE~!!! THIS IS MAJOR!!!!
October 18, 2008 @ 7:42 pm[...] Want to bet we don’t here about this on the MSM? verumserum.com shows proof that the Chicago Annenberg Challenge and Ayers’ Small Schools Workshop offices were in the same building on the same floor! Read article at link below: Crossing Paths Daily: Obama and Ayers Shared an Office (Update: For Three Years) | Verum Serum [...]
October 18, 2008 @ 8:04 pm[...] at least three years, Verum Serum reports. By JDZ Feedbacks on this entry via RSS 2.0 Please leave a Comment or discuss via [...]
October 18, 2008 @ 8:07 pm[...] ….and Obama and Ayers shared an office together for 3 years! [...]
October 18, 2008 @ 8:22 pm[...] From LGF via Verum Serum [...]
October 18, 2008 @ 8:24 pmI’m trying to look at 115 S. Sangamon Street, Chicago, Illinios 60607 in Google Earth but I’m not sure exactly which building it is. No matter what, it can’t be a large enough building where you could not see and notice somebody day after day if they had an office on the same floor.
October 18, 2008 @ 8:25 pmYes, but don’t you see who the co-director is in the article?
http://www.barackbook.com/Profiles/MichaelKlonsky.htm
“Klonsky Told The [Students For A Democratic Society] Membership In March 1969 That ‘Our Primary Task Is To Build A Marxist-Leninist Revolutionary Movement…”
“Klonsky, Whose Disgust For Mainstream Politics Led Him To Launch A New, Maoist Communist Party In The 1970s, Today Supports Barack Obama So Enthusiastically That Until Recently He Was Blogging On The Illinois Senator’s Campaign Website.”
October 18, 2008 @ 8:25 pm[...] with Ayers, when it appears both men were in the same building (and a pretty small one at that) and on the same floor for maybe 3 years. Again, it’s not the terrorism nearly as much as the radical educational ideas and the [...]
October 18, 2008 @ 8:28 pmThanks to everyone stopping by and esp. to Charles at LGF for the link that kicked this off.
A couple people above mentioned the Google Earth street view. I tried that too and found the results less than satisfying. Wasn’t about to turn up a picture of the building either. If there’s anyone nearby in Chicago who can take some snaps, that’d be great way to add to the story. I’m here in Socal so it’s not an option.
Also, someone mentioned Drudge. I sent this to him yesterday and got zip. Breitbart actually owes me a small favor for correcting a headline a while back. If he sees this, maybe he could put it up.
October 18, 2008 @ 8:31 pm[...] Here is the link to the story with links to the supporting documents from our friends at Verum Serum: http://www.verumserum.com/?p=2907 [...]
October 18, 2008 @ 8:38 pm[...] Oh, these are the people in your neighborhood, In your neighborhood, In your neigh-bor-hood, Yes, these are the people in your neighborhood, They’re the people that you meet, When you’re walking down the street, They’re the people that you meet…each…day! [...]
October 18, 2008 @ 9:01 pmDo some looking into Mike Klonsky from the Small Schools Workshop. I am pretty sure that the Obama Campaign removed his blog from their site, but he is an interesting character as well.
October 18, 2008 @ 9:13 pmAs usual Roger you misrepresented what I said. I’ve had a very violent past, but I have yet to lay a hand on anyone in the twenty-nine years I’ve been a Christian. I said if it weren’t for the fact that I was a Christian that I’d like to mess the guy up. I was being honest with my feelings and giving credit to the faith for keeping me in check all these years. Let’s see, who also distorts the truth? (It’s in Scripture if you care to look.)
October 18, 2008 @ 9:27 pm[...] VIII: Whoa. Barack Obama and Bill Ayers shared an office for three years. That does not seem like it’s made it into the narrative yet; it will be interesting to see [...]
October 18, 2008 @ 9:40 pmYou people are insane. Do you people have no idea how Boards work? Obama attended Board meetings with Ayers. It was an education group that was run and funded by the Annenberg (a Republican) Foundation and had both Republicans and Democrats on the Board. And they didn’t share an office — Obama had his office at the University of Chicago. And this notion that he used the same phrase-ology as Ayers in his books? What works by Ayers are you referencing that Obama incorporated? Are you a linguistic expert?
And calling Obama a Marxist? Seriously? That’s truly and epically retarded. He’s an economic centrist. If you want to imagine a 90% tax rate, look no further than President Eisenhower in the 50s. And there is no chance of returning to that.
October 18, 2008 @ 9:48 pmThe life of a man who wants to be President of the United States must be an open book. Barack Obama’s life story has been scripted by him in the two(!) books he has written about himself in an effort to control the conversation about him. When asked about other relationships and other periods of his life that he did not write about, he refuses to answer.
Why did he not write about some periods of his life? What is the significance of that? I think that it’s becoming clear why he did not. He knows that it would be troubling to many Americans, Democrat and Republican.
I don’t believe this issue has anything to do with Christianity. The man who wants to lead the United States must be elected on his merits, on his policies, and on his character, in full disclosure to the citizens. Anything less is unacceptable. Charisma and intelligence alone are not enough.
October 18, 2008 @ 9:59 pmObama wasn’t just a board member at CAC, he was chairman of the board. He had actual responsibility for grant making and would likely have been in that office at least a portion of his time, especially in 1995 when grant making decisions were being made for the first time and before he was elected to the state senate.
Ayers also had another office besides this one, that doesn’t change the fact that the Small Schools Workshop was his baby, co-founded by him and Klonsky. SSW is the core of what he was doing as a professor and mover and shaker in Chicago education circles. It’s very, very likely he was in that office on a regular basis.
The point is, we don’t know how often they saw each other there because no one in the press has bothered to ask or even note that the offices were sharing space for three years! It’s about time they pulled someone off the Joe the Plumber story to look into this.
October 18, 2008 @ 10:02 pmA commenter asks “Why…from a Christian standpoint…is it necessary to demonize Obama?”
The answer is quite simple. Because socialism seeks to replace the God of the Bible with the god of the state. It teaches people to depend upon the government for their well-being rather than depending upon God. IOW, socialism is antithetical to true Christianity.
October 18, 2008 @ 10:02 pm[...] Ayers, the guy who was dismissed by Obama as just a guy who lived in his neighbourhood? Check this out and this But does it matter that Barack Hussein Obama is a liar? Maybe it doesn’t when you [...]
October 18, 2008 @ 10:14 pmHere’s the google maps link for those curious. It looks like a really small building. http://tinyurl.com/honeycombhideout <– yeah yeah yeah!
October 18, 2008 @ 10:19 pmEllis P.
October 18, 2008 @ 10:29 pmIf Europe is so great, how come there are so many of them over here?
As for Obama, he is a racist, in his book he states “I developed an antipathy for white people”, that’s the $50 version of “Obama don’t like Honky’s”, He is a liar, he has said during the campaign that he supports the 2nd Amendment, prior to the campaign he has SAID that he would favor banning guns (this is NOT a reference to the questionnaire that was “allegedly” filled out by a staffer) The slightest research would show that his “Change” policies are nothing but the same old stuff that didn’t work for Carter, talk to Iran and tax everything,He has publicly admitted that his tax plan is nothing but “Redistribution of wealth” from those who earn to those who don’t (That IS communism) and his idea of leadership is to take credit for what can be made to look good, then shift the blame for the things that can’t onto some one else he promptly throws under the bus, it’s a wonder the wheels still touch the ground.
Adolph Hitler never PERSONALLY killed a Jew, but he is held responsible for the deaths of 6 million killed by his subordinates, but Obama takes no responsibility for HIS underlings.
This does not even scratch the surface of the reasons that Obama should NOT be elected, ACORN for example, yes the GOP is making a big deal about it, you know why?
Because election fraud is a federal crime.
[...] Verum Serum has been looking into that, too: This Chicago Annenberg Challenge website from 2002 shows the total amount of funds given to Bill Ayers’ Small Schools Workshop from 1995 to 2001. The amount is not the $175K I had reported earlier. According to this page, the total given under Barack Obama’s direct supervision was $1,056,162. Adding that amount to the money given by the Joyce Foundation and Woods Fund during Obama’s tenure brings the grand total to $1,968,718. Just shy of two million dollars! That’s a lot of scratch, to put it bluntly. And don’t forget, this doesn’t count the 3/4 million that went to John Ayers during the same time period. [...]
October 18, 2008 @ 10:52 pm[...] about Ayers the guy that Obama barely knew we have this tidbit…they may have shared an office. Read the whole thing 2. Crossing Paths Daily: Obama and Ayers Shared an Office (Update: For Three Years) [...]
October 18, 2008 @ 10:59 pmSorry, I seem to have missed the part where you established two men shared an office as opposed to two organizations sharing a mailing address. Where did you do that again?
You’ve indicated you are aware Obama had a day job during this period which wasn’t at this address. So….. your reason for suggesting the opposite would be….. ?
October 18, 2008 @ 11:00 pmEvery passing day brings new revelations about Obama that make it more and more incredible that such a man is within reach of the Presidency. It all feels like Twilight Zone, unreal.
But beyond the close relationship with Ayers, the accommodation to radical Islam, and the thuggish Chicago-machine style of politics, what bothers me most about Obama is what has bothered me since the beginning: his repeated, vocal, vehement advocacy of denial of medical care to born-alive infant survivors of late-term abortions. With Obama, the “right” to abortion has been taken to a new level. No longer is it only the “right” of a woman to become un-pregnant, in Obama’s mind it is the “right” to a DEAD baby. If the baby has the audacity to survive the attempt to kill it, then it is not to be taken care of and given to adoptive parents (yes, there are couples who specifically want to adopt handicapped children). No, Obama thinks we should return to the barbarity of the ancients and abandon the child to die of exposure and neglect. The man is an ice-hearted monster.
But then, what bothers me most of all is that the majority of my fellow Americans seem NOT to be bothered by it.
October 18, 2008 @ 11:05 pmGreat work, John! Really an excellent use of your time. Although the majority of Americans could hardly care less about Bill Ayers, they doubtlessly will be dazzled by your breathless detective work.
Please do keep us informed should you discover that Ayers and Obama once split a hoagie since that would be proof positive that they’re socialists.
Onward and upward, citizen journalist!
October 18, 2008 @ 11:13 pmI don’t see how you can get worked up over an address. There is no hard proof… I have multiple business addresses myself and I don’t reside there.
Most likely he’s on this board and the main office for the board is that building, so anyone who’s on the board and has mail sent to them will go to this office.
There’s no proof they both actually worked and had desks at this building.
Who really cares about Ayers anyways. He’s broken no laws since the 60s. This association will not make him lose the election. He is too far ahead in state polls.
October 18, 2008 @ 11:16 pmThe evidence mounts that these two were bosom buddies and shared quite a bit of time together, including the likelihood that Ayers helped Obama write Dreams From My Father.
Here’s another connection.
And a Doonesbury I’d like to see.
October 19, 2008 @ 12:15 amWow, the top tier liberal trolls are showing up. I must be on to something here.
Chad, what I’m worked up about is that Obama hasn’t been honest with people. This is a pattern with him.
What bothers me as much or more is that the NY Times and others are so in the tank for “the One” that they didn’t even bother to check this out. We know all about Sarah Palin’s water breaking but no one has bothered to report that the group Ayers founded and Obama’s CAC office had the same street address for three years. Apart from anything it says about Obama, it says a lot about the one-sided coverage in this election.
October 19, 2008 @ 12:19 amExcept that’s not what you are suggesting here. You’ve suggested this means Obama worked out of that office, presumably with everyone else who was also on that board.
There’s a guy above who’s posted a history of all the boards Obama has served on. If your standard of evidence isn’t flawed then clearly the bigger story here is that Obama wasn’t working as a Senator at any time since you’ve accounted for his whereabouts at other addresses (and multiple ones at that) for the whole time. Mrs Palin too now that you mention it, she doesn’t seem to have been doing much Mayoring either.
Or not. Or if you are going to say he worked at an address you need something other than nothing which suggests that was the case. Still waiting.
October 19, 2008 @ 12:56 amIt’s Obama’s consistent lying that is driving all the doubt about him.
Pinch Yourself
http://www.spectator.co.uk/print/melaniephillips/2293196/pinch-yourself.thtml
The contrast between, on the one hand, the huge amount of material about Obama’s radical associations that has been published in on-line journals and in a few brave newspapers, and on the other the refusal by big media to address it and to vilify those who do, becomes more astounding by the day. The Obamaniacs are spinning the relationship between Obama and William Ayers, former of Weather Undergound Terrorism Inc, as of no consequence because this was supposedly a chance acquaintance and because the educational project they worked on, the Annenberg Challenge, was a worthy one.
Stanley Kurtz now nails that canard by showing how, through the Annenberg Challenge, Obama and Ayers channelled funds to extremist anti-American Afrocentric ‘educational’ programmes which were a carbon-copy of the world view of Pastor Jeremiah Wright, Obama’s black racist mentor who, under pressure, Obama was forced to repudiate. These programmes promoted, amongst other radical ideas, the ‘rites of passage’ philosophy which attempted to create a ‘virtually separate and intensely anti-American black social world’ in order to ‘counter the potentially detrimental effects of a Eurocentrically oriented society.’ One such teacher taught that
‘The submission to Western civilization and its most outstanding offspring, American civilization, is, in reality, surrender to white supremacy.’
Kurtz concludes:
However he may seek to deny it, all evidence points to the fact that, from his position as board chair of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, Barack Obama knowingly and persistently funded an educational project that shared the extremist and anti-American philosophy of Jeremiah Wright.
No surprise there, since back in June Kurtz pointed to evidence that Obama shared the black racism of the Trinity United Church of Christ. In this article Obama was reported as rejecting ‘integrationist assimilation’ and wanting to channel black rage more effectively into political organisation. Kurtz dug out a chapter in a 1990 book called After Alinsky: Community Organizing in Illinois in which Obama sketched out how radical black churches could be harnessed to help radicalise the black population. As Kurtz wrote:
So it would appear that Obama’s own writings solve the mystery of why he stayed at Trinity for 20 years. Obama’s long-held and decidedly audacious hope has been to spread Wright’s radical spirit by linking it to a viable, left-leaning political program, with Obama himself at the center. The revolutionizing power of a politically awakened black church is not some side issue, or merely a personal matter, but has been the signature theme of Obama’s grand political strategy.
Those few brave souls who do try to enlighten the public about all this come up against the kind of intimidation by Camp Obama charted here by Michael Barone:
Stanley Kurtz appeared on Milt Rosenberg’s WGN radio program in Chicago. Mr. Kurtz had been researching Mr. Obama’s relationship with unrepentant Weather Underground terrorist William Ayers in Chicago Annenberg Challenge papers in the Richard J. Daley Library in Chicago – papers that were closed off to him for some days, apparently at the behest of Obama supporters. Obama fans jammed WGN’s phone lines and sent in hundreds of protest e-mails. The message was clear to anyone who would follow Mr. Rosenberg’s example. We will make trouble for you if you let anyone make the case against The One.
Other Obama supporters have threatened critics with criminal prosecution. In September, St. Louis County Circuit Attorney Bob McCulloch and St. Louis City Circuit Attorney Jennifer Joyce warned citizens that they would bring criminal libel prosecutions against anyone who made statements against Mr. Obama that were ‘false.’ I had been under the impression that the Alien and Sedition Acts had gone out of existence in 1801-’02. Not so, apparently, in metropolitan St. Louis. Similarly, the Obama campaign called for a criminal investigation of the American Issues Project when it ran ads highlighting Mr. Obama’s ties to Mr. Ayers.
No such threats, of course, will be made against this new book whose publication is tactfully timed for next year so as not to frighten the horses — Race Course Against White Supremacy, by none other than William Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn.
Meanwhile, it turns out that not only did Obama do favours for convicted Chicago fraudster Tony Rezko, but as this story reports Alexi Giannoulias, who reputedly bankrolled Michael ‘Jaws’ Giorango, a Chicagoan twice convicted of bookmaking and promoting prostitution, became Illinois state treasurer last year after Obama vouched for him, and has now has pledged to raise $100,000 for Obama’s campaign.
You have to pinch yourself – a Marxisant radical who all his life has been mentored by, sat at the feet of, worshipped with, befriended, endorsed the philosophy of, funded and been in turn funded, politically promoted and supported by a nexus comprising black power anti-white racists, Jew-haters, revolutionary Marxists, unrepentant former terrorists and Chicago mobsters, is on the verge of becoming President of the United States. And apparently it’s considered impolite to say so.
October 19, 2008 @ 1:04 amObama makes me feel ashamed to be an American… I would gladly vote for a Black Sec of State Rice for Pres because we can trust her. Obama failed the trust test… he is clearly a hardcore socialist looking to convert America into a weak welfare nation… like an equal member of the UN… its the end of the world
October 19, 2008 @ 1:20 amThe easiest way to settle all of this would be to just ask both Obama and Ayers how well they knew eachother—but wait, Obama was already asked this question, right?
And after hearing (reading) his response, people are still worried or curious enough to do their own research into the “truth” of the matter when it comes to Ayers and Obama.
Therein lies the rub. If Obama answers a question and you’re sitting there with a question mark in your mind about what the truth is, then either you’re too paranoid and/or racist to trust Obama, or Obama is too paranoid and/or racist to trust you.
If Obama is lying about Ayers being only someone in his neighborhood, as far as their relationship goes, then that is the real issue, not whether or not the two men are close friends or not.
Just the fact that you have a question mark in your mind about this issue of whether Obama is trying to hide or downplay something, is your clue to not vote for him.
When I was a kid my father used to say, “if you’re in a situation where you’re not sure whether you should do something or not, as long as you have that question mark in your mind, your answer to the question is ‘no, don’t do it, do it later maybe, but not now.”
That is good advice, in my opinion. With a few weeks left to the election, if you still question Obama as a candidate for the presidency, don’t vote for him. Not now, do it later maybe, but not now. Maybe four or eight years from now he will be better vetted, and instead of trying to get to know him and what he’s about like you’re doing now, by then you will have gotten to know who he is. That’s when you can comfortably decide if he represents what you stand for, and how you approach life.
This is assuming, of course, that Obama will be more forthright and detailed in his responses of who he knows and how well he knows them.
Right now we’re in a time crunch as far as making up the minds of undecided voters or people who could reconsider their vote. This is not the time for conservatives or liberals to bicker back and forth about Obama’s connections.
It is the time for turning to yourself and asking yourself which of the two men would be a more suitable representative and leader for yourself and your family. You may have question marks in your mind about McCain as well. Look over all of your doubts and try to figure out which ones are about the candidate’s character, his past, his openness with you, his political record and associations as well as his personal goals and aspirations.
After you do all of this self-reflection, go out there and vote. Do not feel rushed. If you feel that you are being rushed and don’t have enough time to feel comfortable about a candidate, then don’t vote for that candidate.
And to the blog creator/author of this post, it is good to see that you haven’t lost the focus of this issue. You are not trying to find some fact that will suddenly throw Obama out of the running, but you are instead trying to figure out how honest he is and are trying to get to know him. A good leader would have already won your confidence about his honesty, but if hasn’t, then he is obviously not a good leader for you. Or for anyone who has those question marks floating around in his/her mind.
October 19, 2008 @ 1:34 amActually, there’s another possible connection, which this blog fails to note. Columbia University alumnus Barack Obama was in New York at the same time as, guess who? Bill Ayers, our favorite domestic terrorist! Obama graduated from Columbia in 1983, but stayed in New York another two years; while Ayers attended Bank Street College (located near Columbia), earning a M.Ed. in Early Childhood Education there in 1984. Ayers continued his studies at Columbia and completed his Ed.D. in Curriculum and Instruction in 1987, but it is unclear whether he resided in New York while doing his doctoral research, since from 1984 to 1988 his wife, Bernardine Dohrn, worked for the prestigious Chicago law firm Sidley & Austin (rich family connections are always helpful, even when you’re a leftist radical). My guess would be that the Ayers couple resided together in Chicago from 1984, …which is where Obama arrived in June of 1985. Three years later (Fall 1988) Obama entered Harvard Law School, but the next summer he returned to Chicago where he worked as a summer associate at, you guessed it, the law firm of Sidley & Austin. That’s where he met his wife, Michelle, who became an associate at the firm, just as Bernardine Dohrn was offered an adjunct professorship at Northwestern Law School.
One could say that this is a mere coincidence, or Divine Providence… But hey, let’s all just go Disney and sing: “IT’S A SMALL WORLD AFTER ALL…”.
October 19, 2008 @ 2:01 amhttp://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&tab=wl If that building on the right in street view is 115, which I believe it is, the third floor is tiny. looks like one big office per floor.
October 19, 2008 @ 2:44 amWakefield,
I ask for evidence and you give me
“I’d say” is not evidence. Link me to some research or some statistics, articles even, that support your point of view, otherwise I won’t believe you, and I’m not the only one.
No it hasn’t! That’s just plain ridiculous. Everything you write about Europe is wrong.
Any economist? You sure about that? I’ll tell you what, if you can link to one who describes the European economy thus, I’ll find you two who don’t.
And please, please, pretty please tell me what you mean when you keep saying “all bets are off”, because you seem to use it where other people would use commas.
October 19, 2008 @ 3:31 am[...] You mean the one who lived in my neighborhood (along Sweet Lou Farrakhan), the one whose book I reviewed, and with whom I appeared on the same panel—and whose office I shared? [...]
October 19, 2008 @ 3:51 amP,Ennis you are a classic liberal that uses moral relativism to excuse Obama and his poor judgment.
Let’s just say McCain was involved with Timothy McVeigh to the same level as Ayers and Obama … McCain would be treated by the MSM as he should be… a friend of a domestic terrorist, and never to heard of again.
The reason to not to vote for Obama are plenty, but in this regard, his inability to use good judgment is unprecedented. To further compare Rush Limbaugh to The Racist Revered Wright, is another example of your inability to see just what a fool Obama is. Are you telling me again that McCain would not suffer a rude exit if he sat at the knee of Rush for over 20 years.
Wake the hell up… your a smaller p,ennis then you know!
October 19, 2008 @ 5:41 amBoth McCain and Obama have their problems, that’s already been stated by partisans, bipartisans, and lovely opinionated folks such as the ones on this blog. However, you cannot tell me, Christian or otherwise (and yes, I’m a Christian), that you believe that Palin would make a good Veep. Please tell me that isn’t true. If McCain had picked a more qualified running mate, perhaps he would be in the lead now, but he didn’t. He was irrational and looking for a ‘game-changer’ by getting women voters. Turns out, women are a lot smarter than McCain on this one. Regardless of the crap you want to say is the media ‘demonizing’ her, she can’t be Veep. She got her 1st passport last year! Imagine another terrible time like 9/11, and then imagine an ill 70whatever year old McCain … you’d trust the nation to Palin? Really? I pray to God that’s not true. And for those of you saying that Barack continues to lie, check Palin’s troopergate file, please.
October 19, 2008 @ 5:43 am“I hate to admit it but growing up the south I had no sympathy for Martin Luther King while he was alive and wasn’t disappointed when he was shot. ”
EnnisP, are you happy then that a man who would sacrifice his time and energies to try and better others lives would be killed? Really? How do you feel now? Obama is no comparison to King, they come from different times and lead/led different lives. ALthough both are working/worked to the same goal…bettering the lives of others around them.
October 19, 2008 @ 6:05 am[...] Pundit and Verum Serum blogs provide screenshots of and links to documents that prove that the three shared the same [...]
October 19, 2008 @ 6:45 amEnnis P. said:
“I do think Obama is in a very good position to understand what is right and wrong about both systems. He is well exposed internationally”
You have to be kidding right? Where is this “exposure” documented? At least Palin looks at Russia across the “Pond.” Oh, maybe you mean he receives letters from his family in Kenya? Incidentally I don’t think he has shared his wealth with them has he?
I believe that if you tell me who are those you like to be associated with, I can tell you what you are. The fact that he choose to be associated with someone like Reverend Wright who accuses the US of creating the AIDS virus to kill blacks, or with an unrepentant, unpunished terrorist, either for convenience or conviction, shows his cynicism, or his lack of judgment. Neither endears him to me.
On the other hand I have experienced the “share the wealth” gospel before, and can assure you that it promotes and is nurtured by nothing else than envy. Finally, that as far as I am concerned Envy, and not the love of money is the root of all evil.
October 19, 2008 @ 6:58 amOh please! This is just the office of the Annenberg Challenge. You know, the thing that a lifelong Reagan pal set up. Obama was on that board and many others as you show, also a law firm and the faculty at UChicago apparently. You want to send something to him in his capacity as a member of that board, where do you send it? To the Annenberg address. How often did Obama actually go to what is probably a small little office? I bet not so often. Get real. You guys are hopeless
October 19, 2008 @ 7:09 am[...] Bill Ayers and Barack Obama shared an office. Ayers’ Small Schools Workshop, the one Obama directed all that money too is located at 115 S. Sangamon Street, Chicago, Illinois 60607 (move over at Verum Serum who broke this story) [...]
October 19, 2008 @ 7:22 am[...] Obama and Ayers shared an address for three years and both their offices were on the third floor of 115 S. Sangamon St. in Chicago (h/t Dr Sanity) [...]
October 19, 2008 @ 7:26 am[...] See folks, there is nothing to learn from this whole Ayers-Obama connection. Nothing at all. This Chicago Annenberg Challenge website from 2002 shows the total amount of funds given to Bill [...]
October 19, 2008 @ 8:00 amI abhor the actions and views of Willaim Ayers, and he should not be accepted in mainstream society.
But I also believe the war in Iraq is a war crime perpetrated by politicians who manipulated and lied to accomplish their monolithic ideology. Tens of thousands of people have died in a war which became part of a world view which became an “end justifies the means” foreign policy.
Afghanistan was justice.
Iraq is a war crime.
It is possible that more Iraq people have died in this war than have died at the hands of Hussein. If George Bush and Dick Cheney had been in power during the Cuban missle crisis, we might have been plunged into nuclear war. In the end, many of the politicians that scream about William Ayers have tens of thousands of deaths on their hands and still think nothing of it.
It is curious how fallen man can categorize events to condemn others and justify themselves.
October 19, 2008 @ 8:04 amThere is another case of shared address with people/entities Obama claims to have had no meaningful connection with.
This one is ACORN.
If you read my comment that is up above , which is a timeline of Obama, there it is noted that Obama worked for Project Vote/Illinois. The incorporation records read:
The holder of the Trademark for Project Vote is here
Guess who else is at that address?
CSI is the group that Obama’s campaigned gave 800,000 to this year for campaign services. But according to Larry Johnson, he called CSI in the summer, and asked them about the specific services that Obama put in his FEC file.
Also, going back to the Chicago address on Hubbard Street. The same location on Hubbard was Cullen J. Davis. Who is that.. He’s the son of Allison Davis for whom Obama went to work at the firm Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland. Cullen Davis is an associate of Tony Rezko and the firm MBG&C were Rezko’s lawyers.
Also, Obama and Ayers, while on the Woods Fund funneled money to Cullen.
What does all this mean?
Well idiot Leftists would say that I’m trying to suggest some dark conspiracy. No I am not doing that.
There is no “conspiracy” .. All I’m trying to do is show just how incenstious all of Obama’s associates are with one anohter. It’s clear that all of his associates are all familiar with one another and that they all provide mutual support.
This means that his ties to Ayers, ACORN, etc.. are deep and extensive. These are alliances not associations.
The source for my information regarding the addresses was Larry Johnson’s No Quarter blog.
October 19, 2008 @ 8:05 amAnyone familiar with this part of Chicago? A quick Google search on the address shows that these are very small buildings. Quick post office search shows that this is a deliverable address, but a search of the online Cook County property assessment records does not return a record. Might be interesting to know who owns the building and what the floor layout is. I bet that these offices share a bathroom and that the other tenants share a political philosophy. Did they share other things in the office as well? Clerical support, photocopy machine, etc? This would speak of a deeper relationship than ever acknowledged and begs the question of why Obama is so embarrassed by his friends.
October 19, 2008 @ 8:08 am[...] proof that Barack Obama has been lying about his associations with Bill Ayers, now we find out that Barack Obama shared an office with Bill Ayers for 3 years. Bill Ayers and Barack Obama shared an office. Ayers’ Small Schools Workshop, the one Obama [...]
October 19, 2008 @ 8:09 amThis isn’t going to be near as deep as some of your comments, but if you would, think about all of the people that you have met or even worked with. I don’t assume any one of you are drug dealers, convicted felons, or terrorists, but chances are you’ve associated with at least one of the mentioned at some point in your life unless you’ve lived locked inside of a barn every second of your life. I know I have(not terrorists), but the truth is that I didn’t associate with them because of the bad things that they did, but rather the good things that I saw in them. Yes I know it’s simple, but that’s the gift from the lord that I am thankful for: To see the good in all people. No one is perfect and if we knew all of our imperfections we would be perfect. BTW how many people on this blog have ever conducted a background check on all of the people you worked with or met? Just something to consider.
October 19, 2008 @ 8:15 am[...] second is the revelation by blogger Verum Serum that Obama and Ayers were located on the same floor of a what I can show was a small building [...]
October 19, 2008 @ 8:25 amhttp://wiurl.com/obamaklonsky
here is the google maps location of the 100 block of Sangamon street. Although the location of 115 is not clearly marked, the buildings in the neighborhood are VERY SMALL. Now I could see working in a building with a footprint size of the world trade center or many other huge buildings in NYC and not knowing my hall mates but in this small place—please give me a break.
According to the street view on google maps some of the buildings are available for lease. Why don’t you, an enterprising chicagoan for truth get down there and take a tour to rent an office and get some pictures.
Call early Monday as you may have to fight off hordes of newspaper and media hacks desperate to get the story as 115 Sangamon St becomes the hottest location in Chicago–NOT.
Get inside, take some pics and post them for all the see the size of the building 115 Sangamon St 3rd floor.
October 19, 2008 @ 8:42 amGreat information,too bad it’s not being picked up on by the “journalists”. Even Joe the plumber gets vetted more than the man seeking the Presidency.
One more scary thing about “The One” to consider:
There are some people who believe Obama is using conversational hypnosis in his speeches. It is very possible. Would explain a lot actually.
http://www.pennypresslv.com/Obama%27s_Use_of_Hidden_Hypnosis_techniques_in_His_Speeches.pdf
October 19, 2008 @ 8:45 am[...] hollow when the latest revelation is revealed. Obama and Ayers shared an office together for [...]
October 19, 2008 @ 9:15 am[...] Obama and Ayers Shared Office Space For Three Years Just a guy in the hood… Link here __________________ The Internet Newsstand here "To each according to his needs" – Karl [...]
October 19, 2008 @ 9:20 amOne question I have yet to see asked. Obama was a not-quite-dry-behind-the-ears graduate when he began his association with Annenberg. Why would he be put in charge of so much money?
Just wonderin….
October 19, 2008 @ 9:27 amNot exactly. The Annenberg Challenge was a nationwide fund set up to enact local school reforms. Individual cities had to apply for grants to set up their own local offices. As has been noted elsewhere, the CAC grant proposal was written by Bill Ayers.
There was, especially in the out years, some cross-pollination of efforts. However, in 1995 and 1996 the Chicago Annenberg Challenge was a fully independent grant-making organization. It was not being run by Annenberg (which was at Brown Univ.). The CAC was run out of 115 S. Sangamon St., Chicago. I believe the staff head was Ken Rolling. However Obama was Chairman of the Board. This probably wasn’t a situation where he phoned it in or showed up once a quarter for a meeting. He likely spent some time in that office, esp. prior to 1997 when he became a state senator.
Similarly, as I’ve noted above, Ayers may have had Klonsky running the Small Schools Workshop, we don’t know. But even if that was the case, it doesn’t mean Ayers was never (or rarely) there. In fact, given that Ayers was also part of the CAC “collective” he had two reasons to be going to the 3rd floor of 115 Sangamon St.
Ayers hasn’t spoken to a reporter in weeks. I’m sure he won’t now. But Obama should at least be asked how often he was in that office. Whether he knew the folks running the SSW down the hall. At the very least, he needs to be forced to deny this connection.
For goodness sake, there are plenty of blogs on the left claiming Joe the Plumber a) is related to Charles Keating and b) spent some time in Alaska not far from where Sarah Palin lived! If that’s worth investigating, this is too.
October 19, 2008 @ 9:40 am[...] A good find at Verum Serum: Barack Obama and former Weather Underground terrorist William Ayers apparently worked in the same office building for three years. [...]
October 19, 2008 @ 9:48 amIf Barack Obama was applying for a job with the secret service, does anyone think he would qualify after they investigated his background? Then how in God’s name, oh excuse me, in Allah’s name, could he be properly vetted and qualified for the Office of the President of the United States?
By the way, a horde of reporters are dispatched by various media outlets to Alaska to dig up dirt on Sarah Palin, and TV satellite trucks sit outside Joe The Plumber’s house. Are there any news media trucks outside Bill Ayres, The Domestic Terrorist, house?
October 19, 2008 @ 9:54 amSome things bother me regarding the above data.
Why was Obama’s license to practice law revoked?
Why was he removed from all of the Boards on which he had served for several years, all at the same time?
This should raise a red flag. Can anyone answer?
October 19, 2008 @ 9:58 am[...] and Ayers Shared an Office (Update: For Three Years) Crossing Paths Daily: Obama and Ayers Shared an Office (Update: For Three Years) [...]
October 19, 2008 @ 10:02 amIf “associations” are so important to you, please check out the “Penguin-Batman” debate. (That Batman, always hanging out with criminals!) Or better yet, explain how the Keating connection is less relevant, given the current tone of the public debate that has made “de-regulation” a bad word again. Are you old enough to remember the first “bailout,” the S&L scandals?. McCain (& 4 Democratic Senators-plenty of blame there too) took money and Bahamas vacations from Keating, then tried to get the Federal Regulators to back off their enforcement action. It worked, and plenty of people lost their shirts and savings. Doesn’t this support the conclusion that McCain, until the current economic catastrophy, has traditionally been a champion of de-regulation and business as usual. Just check out his stable of former-lobbyist advisers.
October 19, 2008 @ 10:03 am[...] Bill Ayers and Barack Obama shared an office. Ayers’ Small Schools Workshop, the one Obama directed all that money too is located at 115 S. Sangamon Street, Chicago, Illinois 60607 (move over at Verum Serum who broke this story) [...]
October 19, 2008 @ 10:16 amI did some Google Earthing to supplement what you did:
HERE
I also cross-posted at NewsBusters.
October 19, 2008 @ 10:34 amCheck this out:
Obama’s exact zip code, including the four digit box number was: 60607-2615 (see update at bottom)
According to this Google cache, Michael Klonsky used the same exact postal code, including the four digit box number: 60607-2615 and Mr. Klonsky’s name is right below the zip code
Not only were Obama on the Third Floor together, they shared the same post office box.
October 19, 2008 @ 10:45 amIf Obama shared an office with Ayers from 1995 to 1998, he must have seen Ayers’ wife’s FBI Wanted poster hanging in “a place of honor” in Ayers’ office, as this 1996 interview observes:
October 19, 2008 @ 10:47 am
—For the record Rev. Wright is the Rush Limbaugh of the black community. Both are very entertaining. Neither should be used as “evidence” against the candidates. The difference is, Write speaks to issues that have torn this nation apart for a very long time and we still can’t get it right.
G(*& Damn Amerikka Wright has no equivalency with Rush Limbaugh. Spreading the odious lie that the CIA invented AIDS to kill Blacks shows a poison that can’t be matched. A fine lie, probably originating with Soviet propaganda in the 80′s. Rather than addressing issues that divide Americans, he INVENTS issues to divide us. And I say this as a military veteran who worked for years in a positively integrated and functioning organization.
Rush Limbaugh’s viewpoint is informed by documented events. If opinionated, it is nowhere as hostile as G)(*( Damn America. Twenty million Americans listen to him daily. Only a few Americans had to hear Wright’s lunacy (the Press Club) and they realized that this would kill Obama’s candidicay – and acted upon that realization. BTW Rush Limbaugh did not support McCain.
Hmmm Bill Ayers hates America…Reverand Wright (20 years the spiritual advisor)…Obama’s outreach coordinators to muslims have serially ended up in meetings with Hamas and Hezbolla tied organizations. The American forefathers, Hamilton, Jay, Madison warned us against this when they spoke of the dangers of foreign influence.
October 19, 2008 @ 11:02 amoh who cares. so stupid.
October 19, 2008 @ 11:22 amWhat interests me is why he lost his law license. I would imagine it is because he lied on the application which asked have you ever been known by any other name. He said no; however he has been known as Barry Dunham and Barry Soetero. Also the other question he lied about was whether he had any outstanding tickets/warrents in excess of $200. No again. In fact, he did. I believe Michelle Obama no longer has her law license either. What a pair. I would rather have McCain, a true American, not a pretender. Also, McCain’s 94 year old mother seems to be doing great campaigning with him. Why is Barry hiding his family and why won’t he allow them to be interviewed?
October 19, 2008 @ 12:15 pmEnnis P. What the hell are you thinking? Barack Odumbo has proven repeatedly he executes piss poor judgement. Embracing drugs. Selling drugs. Getting high. That’s good judgment in your mind. Then he starts sucking at the terrorist tit of Ayers the communist. His Uncle Frank wasn’t enough. Jeremiah Wright isn’t enough. F*’ed up Pfleger wasn’t enough. Giving money to Ayers so he can subvert the children. That’s good judgment. Giving money to Acorn so they can subvert the election. That’s good judgment. I won’t tolerate nor should any American anybody voting twice or dead or illegally. But that’s ok with liberals like you. It’s good judgment. His wife hanging out with Farakhan’s wife on a regular basis. That’s good judgment. If McCain shared an office with David Duke what would you say to that? Go post on the KOS.
RVGutz. You’re an idiot. You don’t know the difference between deregulation and oversight. Regulations put in by the demoncrats forced banks to make bad loans. Because you can’t comprehend that makes you unqualified to discuss it further. The Batman argument is a strawman argument and it’s stupid. Your knowledge of the Keating five and what went on it atrocious as it is for all Liberal dumb a$$es. Bob Bennett.. A Dyed in the WOOL DEMOCRAT, is also an attorney, and was at the time of the Keating Five scandal hired by the Senate Ethics Committee as Special Counsel to lead the investigation into what had happened. After over a year of exhaustive examination, Bennett recommended that Sen. McCain (and Sen. John Glenn of Ohio) be exonerated of all charges having to do with the Keating scandal. The ethics committee, which was majority Democratic, rejected Bennett’s recommendation. Bennett said former Sen. Howell Hefflin (D-Ala.) insisted that the two be included in the formal public inquiry because otherwise there would have been a month of public hearings “with no Republicans in the dock.” The other members of the Keating Five were Democrats. Grow up. Get Educated. Stop Listening to the LIES that are the NYT and other MSM outlets.
October 19, 2008 @ 12:22 pmThank you for all the work you have done in
compiling this article.
This is just a beginning to trying to understand
the phenomenon of Obama.
His philosophy and his associations go much
deeper and there is more than enough information
if people have the time to dig it out.
He is definitely part of a much larger program and this article I found explains it much better than
I ever could.
http://giovanniworld.wordpress.com/2008/10/13/why-obama-scares-the-crap-out-of-me/
One more thing… do I think that the USA is a perfect nation without flaw, no I don’t…
October 19, 2008 @ 12:28 pmBut pitching what this country has stood for minus the hateful racist and greed mongers in
favor of Marxism/Communism/Socialism, all under the guise of CHANGE is not the answer either.
Let’s not throw the baby out with the bath water,
and give some reformers like McCain and Palin a
chance.
You can’t fight fire with fire, or you will have
a bigger fire… We need to overcome evil with
good and not take a hatchet to our republic
and think that socialism will fix the woes of
this country. The government is only as strong
as the politicians running it, and that’s why we
need major reforms in the government. Obama and
his camp have a lot of skeletons in the closet and Obama has a lot of explaining to do about his
past. In the words of one of his ex-friends, “the chickens are coming home to roost.”
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October 19, 2008 @ 12:29 pmMichael Klonsky, head of the Small Schools Workshop, is a former SDS member who founded the Marxist-Leninist party of the USA in the early 1970s. He is a Communist. His workshop received at least $100,000 from CAC.
You can look it up….
October 19, 2008 @ 12:31 pmI have never seen so many morons work so hard to prove so little. So what if they worked in the same building. So what if they knew each other? Ayers has not been convicted of any crime, unlike some of McCain’s friends. Ayers has been honored for his work in education many times over. And he has never violated ethics laws in Alaska like Governor Palin.
You guys or so disingenuous it’s laughable. Your candidate cannot speak to the issues and win, so all your left with is trying to invent some scandal. Take a look at the polls. Your tactics aren’t working.
October 19, 2008 @ 12:34 pmHello Jim Bob,
October 19, 2008 @ 12:35 pm29 years as a Christian? A violent life that you have led. Since you seem so proud of the fact that you have not rearranged anyones face in these 29 years, am I to assume that your violence is only manifested in the form of stoning those who are caught gathering firewood on the sabbath. Or is your violence in the form of vile language towards your family. To be quite honest, you do a very poor job cloaking your short fuse behind your phony piousness.
I was once a member of the New Alliance Party, the party under which African-American candidate (Lenora Fulani)ran for President of the United States. I was a grass-roots organizer in Harlem and Chicago. I worked for welfare rights in Chicago and Harold Washington’s mayoral campaign. I am a middle-aged white woman in support of Barack Obama. I’ve spent my years as an adult education teacher reading the likes of Vigotsky and Gramsci. Does that make me a radical red? I know red-baiting when I hear and see it and these articles linking Mr. Obama to Mr. Ayers are nothing short of red-baiting. In fact, red-baiting has been going on since the very beginning of Mr. Obama’s candidacy. It is what the far Right does when they are at a loss for explaining bottom-up movements in this country’s political landscape.
Mr. Obama’s appeal is one of idealism. Hence the attraction to so many of our country’s youth, many of whom have not reached legal voting age (unfortunately). The idealism of America’s youth is in danger of becoming extinct. As a teacher educator, most of my students are recent college grads seeking employment overseas as teachers of English as a Second Language. They are universally disillusioned and disheartened by the failing promise of the “American dream” and our country’s direction. It is this disaffectation that we, the American people, should be concerned about. Whatever his foibles, Mr. Obama understands this and our youth know he understands this. Perhaps he did have some education from the “Left”. So what? Unlike the “Right”, who manipulates disaffectation and alienation for their gain, the “Left” calls it as it is. Whether in his heart of hearts are Marxist values, Mr. Obama is the target of this red-baiting because he is a person of color like Martin Luther King (also red-baited) and because the “Right” sees his appeal as a threat to the status quo. Not in recent history has the country had such a dynamic political battle going on. Finally, there is a candidate who represents real compassion for the people, understands how to organize from the bottom-up, and is in the mainstream. How did he do it? By working within. He understands, like Fulani before him, that you have to work the institutions from within the institutions. I’m not afraid to call it like it is. So let’s stop all the BS and get on with some real discussion about what it would mean to the world and America’s place in it with a person of color at the helm when most of the planet’s occupants are people of color. At long last, the very thing the far Right has feared is just around the corner. Now we shall really see if “All men and women are created equal”.
October 19, 2008 @ 12:43 pmAND THE REPUBLICAN ANNENBERGS, CLOSE FRIENDS OF WILLIAM F. BUCKLEY, WERE TERRORISTS TOO. YEAH, RIGHT, YOU FASCIST ABORTIONS WHO LIVED!
October 19, 2008 @ 12:53 pmHere is a UIC map which shows the “Sangamon Street Building” (SGM) location. It’s those two buildings on the east side of the street, south of the alley.
October 19, 2008 @ 1:01 pmhttp://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vcsa.uic.edu%2FNR%2Frdonlyres%2F7D94A065-6275-4B53-B00F-D257F72E8712%2F488%2FEastandNorthSideofCampusMap1.pdf&ei=_Y_7SIvVI5i4MbvuvRg&usg=AFQjCNFiOGYzzK_3oQhALG4RcWnzagSweA&sig2=nNpvdhuTgK27gV1VPH0SOw
To Willi McQ?
Where did you see that Obama’s license was revoked?
October 19, 2008 @ 1:02 pmWhat did it for me was Ayers’ speech in Venezuela about education and the end of capitalism. I’m one of those wage slaves that goes to work everyday, pays taxes for better schools, roads and public safety, gives 10% to church and other charitable organizations, volunteers to help teach children abandoned by their drugged parents how to read. I don’t own a business but did try to start one and was overwhelmed by the taxes and regulations. Still from my friends who have come to the US from Pakistan, Ukraine, Cameroon and Bosnia, the opportunity to invest what extra money you have to build a future for you and your family, not the state or those who choose not to work or who commit crimes, is strong. So, does Obama’s brush w/ Marxism and Socialism scare me. Yes, but not as much as his being part of the perpetually corrupt Chicago political machine.
October 19, 2008 @ 1:11 pmCorrection… Look at the building on Streetview. The east part of the complex has less than three stories. Only the building next to Sangamon Street has the third floor where these offices were located. The signs on the front door are apparently due to it being a vacant building scheduled for demolition.
October 19, 2008 @ 1:13 pm[...] floor: And according to this memo dated 1996, Small Schools Workshop was also on the 3rd floor: Crossing Paths Daily: Obama and Ayers Shared an Office (Update: For Three Years) | Verum Serum __________________ "All the mavericks in the house put your hands up" ~Amy [...]
October 19, 2008 @ 1:28 pm[...] lying meme got a big boost recently from Verum Serum, which tracked down documentation that the two shared an office for three years – a level of [...]
October 19, 2008 @ 1:36 pmObama reviews Ayer’s book:
http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=64
October 19, 2008 @ 1:37 pmThe simple issue is trust and truth. In our democracy freedom of speech and to assemble is a Constitutional right. The right to bare arms also. To question Ayers or judge his history is irrelevant to his association with Obama EXCEPT for this, Obama lies about it because he knows that his history is pocked with radical associations and if you are running for POTUS and LIE about your own history and refuse to submit school records and birth records then the issue of trust comes in for the voter. Obama is delighted that the conservative right is stewing and the fight is down here amongst some of the voters who want a clear history of this poseur and the let them battle it out with the media, who we know is in the tank for this opportunist.
Ayers and Dorhn are sticking to their story. They are not the hypocrites or the real terrorist here, simply because they actually believe in what they did, (excluding of course their actual criminal acts)just like Bush believes in what he did in Iraq as morally right even though he LIE over and over again. He lost our trust. We should be looking at a MSM that has abandoned their duty to act as watch dogs for our democracy. Instead it is biased and in the tank for this snake oil salesman posing as an African American. And since African Americans are just as racists as everyone else that is, they’re going to vote for him on principle. Just like they were so happy when OJ walked away with a smile on his face. It’s the principle of it all. It’s payback. This should teach everyone that racism doesn’t work, everyone gets screwed.
Now the lies are evidenced by Obama throwing the following under the bus, Wright, Rezko, FISA, NAFTA, separation of Church and State, women’s rights, abortion rights, full support for public education even his grandmother took a dive.He has yet to win an election honestly, buying delegates votes with thrice the amount ever in any presidential election given for promises and endorsements, filing the war chests and special projects of these delegates. Thuggery in the widespread primaries plus abetting his followers and the press to slander and attack his opponents. This being so evident and yet the voters accept this as part of the democratic process of campaigns.
So, is it alright to throw away the Constitution and the American ideals of fair play and honesty for a little of Hopey/Changey. Tell me, please.
October 19, 2008 @ 1:50 pmFor those who suggest that those others among the electorate who are opposed to Barack Obama are trying to “demonize” the man by examining his past and his past associations (and actions in furtherance of those associations), I strongly differ with you. I want to know who I’m voting for.
And, I’ve been around long enough to know that listening to a speech (particularly when you aren’t even guaranteed that the speech belong to the candidate (see, e.g., fellow Axelrod client, Deval Patrick, from whom the “Just Words” speech was lifted, as well as the “believe in your own audacity” phrase of which your candidate has become quite fond).
So, to see who you are, we look to your past, and we follow your footprints.
A. It is readily apparent that your candidate is either a Socialist or Marxist and I don’t care to debate the distinction. I am not interested in a “spread the wealth” philosophy, particularly as a tool to repair a frayed economy. See, e.g., Hoover (Herbert, not J. Edgar). You don’t have to agree with me, which is why we have elections. But, that is a problem for me.
B. Your candidate is probably the least qualified candidate for the Presidency in the history of the United States. He has virtually no record of accomplishment in his entire public life. Annenberg was a failure and he won’t talk about it for many reasons, one being that it associates him too closely with one of the most renowned domestic terrorists in America’s history, which I’ll get to in a minute.
He’s given one job, to chair a subcommittee of the Senate, a subcommittee which had jurisdiction to examine his theme of Afghanistan Not Irag, Afghanistan Not Irag, yet he never convened a single hearing. Perhaps, if he had, he’d have learned what language is spoken in Afghanistan.
He is not a worker. He is a campaigner. He is a politician in all the worst incarnations of that creature. At least from what we see. If that’s not the case, he has done nothing to refute it. You question Governor Palin’s qualifications for the Vice Presidency. Today, where she stands, she is more qualified than your candidate to be President (but, again, she’s not on the ballot as the nominee for President, though you keep trying to put here there — I expect you’d like to put here there if your candidate wouldn’t have to debate her). Considering how little you think of the Governor, I can’t imagine how you could vote for the fresh-baked Senator with no resume.
C. On to the relationship with Bill Ayers and his wife, Bernadette Dhorn. You believe that talking about it, examining it and, as it has played out, uncovering the truth about it (which has been like pulling teeth) is irrelevant and an attempt to “demonize” your candidate, to paraphrase. To the contrary, it’s vital to this election. But, I don’t have to make that point. Your candidate, Barack Obama, and his representatives, have made it much better than I ever could.
You think it’s not important. Well, it is important enough to your candidate to lie about it. And, in lying about it, thereby risking the lie being exposed, to risk his candidacy. That sounds pretty important to me.
McCain says it’s not about the association, it’s about character. I disagree. I believe it’s about both.
People think that Obama’s fateful utterance — “when you spread the wealth around you help everybody” — is the most significant thing he’s said during this campaign. Again, I assume he agrees considering the amount of money, effort and mud he has expended to try to turn the focus on the poor fool who asked the question. Why is his answer significant (not the question, please get off that — who cares if Joe’s a leprechaun, what blessed difference does that make in the answer)?
Because it, finally, gives us some non-rehearsed, non-filtered evidence of Obama’s political philosophy. I wouldn’t have voted for him before because he didn’t seem to have one. Now, I won’t vote for him because he does.
And, it’s a philosophy which, according to yesterday’s polls on the subject, some 83% of the American public reject. So do I.
So, what is it? What is important, philosophy or associations + actions?
They are one and the same. His past actions, activities and associations reveal his philosophy.
Sarah Palin is a lifelong member of the NRA. I expect you would suggest that means something. She’s also a member of the PTA. That one doesn’t mean so much, pretty bi-partisan group known as “parents.”
Barack Obama, the New Party, the Gamalie Foundation, Annenberg, Trininty Church, John L. McKnight, Frank Marshall Davis, Rev. James Meeks, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Father Pfleger, the Industrial Areas Foundation, on and on and on.
If there are others I’d be happy to hear about them. But all I hear from the Obama campaign is how none of these associations matter and that bringing them up at all is an attempt to “demonize” the candidate. Hogwash.
Let me put it this way, I’m probably not going to join the Rock Climbing Club if I have no intention of ever climbing a rock.
October 19, 2008 @ 2:08 pmElaine (110),
If I may amend your statement “The government is only as strong as the politicians running it…” to “The government is only as strong as THE PEOPLE who elect the politicians to govern.”
We, THE PEOPLE, need to reform ourselves. Only then can government reform. We need to take responsibility for our lives, including our families, children, relations, friends,money, and this planet. We need to remember the Golden Rule to treat others as we wish to be treated. We need a national discussion on ourselves. Having lived abroad in other democratic countries, among them Japan, the most “socialist” of democratic nations, I have seen for myself what it means for everyone to have health insurance, for children to be cared for and given every opportunity available, to have it considered a shame on every citizen and the government for a child to be wandering the streets uncared for or an adult or family, unless by choice, sleeping on the street. Americans are deluded by the statement, “One nation under God.” We are not behaving or administering our lives as “One nation under God.” As we become more fractious and polarized, our unity as a nation is more at peril. We need to uphold our laws and hold those who willingly violate them responsible, just like we need to hold every parent responsible for the children he or she brings to this world. We are a nation of “ir-responsibiliters”. Plain and simple…WE DON’T TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR OUR DECISIONS AND BEHAVIOR. Please remember that the politicians work for us. We put them in office and we can take them out. We all need to get educated and act responsibly in the best interest of this nation and our place in the world. We have A place, we are not THE place. American narcissism, if not consciously examined, will, as the rest of the planet evolves, place further restraints on our lives and our futures. Our elected leaders reflect US.
October 19, 2008 @ 2:12 pm[...] I wonder just how Obama will be able to say, “You are taking this out of context?” “Back when Obama was just a primary candidate he was asked about William Ayers during a debate with Hillary Clinton. At the time Obama said that Ayers was just “a guy in my neighborhood.” Implying that his only association with Ayers was geographical. But it’s since come to light that Obama worked as Chairman of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge that William Ayers founded. That Obama launched his political career from Ayers house. And, now, that Ayers and Obama shared an office for three years.” [...]
October 19, 2008 @ 2:20 pmThey aren’t the trinity and there is no reason to believe that Obama is a communist (little or big “c”). They both hate racism.
-EnnisP
It is this world where … white folks’ greed runs a world in need…
-Jeremiah Wright, Barack Obama’s mentor
Interesting.
October 19, 2008 @ 2:48 pm[...] what Verum Serum found. Barack Obama and Bill Ayers’s Small Schools Workshop were in the same building for three [...]
October 19, 2008 @ 2:58 pmMoxie, the AT troll, welcome to the discussion. You again prove that you’re a washed up teacher indoctrinated by stupid ideals of failed policies from the past. Socialism is failing around the world. Communism has failed repeatedly. Is it any wonder that our students have gone from #1 to #42 in the world with you and your ilk in control. Odumbo and Ayers spend $100 million on brain washing kids and you support that. The grades didn’t go up. What do you think most schools could do with $1 million to help with education? OH…wait, Odumbo didn’t give it to the schools, he gave it back to his buddy Ayers! That’s why the students didn’t improve. If Old Man Annenberg were alive to see the handouts, he would have fired Odumbo in a New York second. That people fall for Odumbo’s idealism means that the electorate is getting dumber all the time, and they are, thanks largely to you. There was a reason the voting age used to be 21. It was hoped by then, after working for a few years, people would “get” what the world was about. Now it’s 18. Ok..old enough to fight, old enough to vote. I’ll grant them that. You want the voting age to be 12? More good judgment on the part of liberals. I’ll bet you gave A’s to all those that regurgitate the stupidity you spew on a daily basis. Oh wait…can’t have competition…can’t have people fail on their own…socialism requires we give them a smiley face instead of an A and a pass even if they fail. World ranking #100…here we come. Go hand out buttons at the Union Hall and march goosestep to Odumbo, The ONE.
It’s unfortunate that you and the rest of the left suffer from BDS. It can be cured. It’s called hard work. Try it. Try ditch digging for a week. The American dream is ALIVE and WELL. I’m working on mine. I don’t expect it to get handed to me like you do. It’s a shame you teach adults because you think like a 20 year old. Oh to be young and naive again. I’ll bet you tell those unfortunate students it’s not their fault they’re in the situation they’re in. It’s the republicans fault, isn’t it? You say, “the Left calls it as it is.” A more stupid comment has never been made other than Odumbos’, “I don’t WANT to penalize you, Joe, I just want to spread the wealth around.” Notice Odumbo didn’t say “increase the opportunities”. He wants to take money from the ditch diggers and give it to people who just stand by and watch. Frankly, Moxie, no one gives a crap whether you give your life’s savings, house, retirement to Odumbo to do what he wants. That’s your choice. Be glad that under a Republic, it’s still a choice. Until Odumbo gets sworn in…keep your liberal stealing hands off our stuff. The best country in the world does just fine without socialists like you and Odumbo. Remember, because the polls will be busy…the republicans vote on Tuesday Nov. 4th, the democrats are now scheduled to vote on Wednesday, Nov. 5th. And for our sake,stop teaching. You’re not qualified.
October 19, 2008 @ 3:04 pmMy prediction is that in years to come, people will look back and laugh at the thought of Brack Obama being frighteningly left wing. America will shift to the left, and Obama will occupy the new middle ground.
John – good work, really, really good work. I can’t wait to see this story appear in more mainstream publications (as I’m sure it will) and be able to think “I read that the day it appeared on Verum Serum”.
October 19, 2008 @ 3:06 pmRob Z (127),
Your rant and wild assumptions on what Moxie mentioned are just a perfect example of some one who filters information to create a false argument. Try viewing Jay Leno’s Jay Walkers and you’ll get an idea why USA is some where in the forties as far as education is concerned. Public education is a result of social ideas. We through taxes pay for that, as we pay for Fire Departments, libraries, and interstate road and infrastructure. And yes a country that can spend billions on obsolete war planes rusting in lots and no bid contracts with our money, just because the government is so corrupt that they would swindles us, can also expand, medicare/VA to give its citizens that pay for all their folly universal health care.Oh, yeah a one payer system. Instead we have HMO, insurance companies and thousands of plans that cost so much because of the tier system that we pay more than any other country for health care and get inconsistent, at times fraudulent and expensive administrative costs. Then let’s not forget the ridiculous donut hole in that inspired Drug Plan. Please girl, get a grip.
Moxie did not promote socialism, Moxie was talking about conditions here and if we are going to clean and improve our government we need to face up to the corruption and thuggery that is going on and has gone on in BOTH parties. An educated electorate is our only hope and that starts with teachers who themselves are well educated and rewarded on merit only. Unions and community boards are part of the reason our schools are so mediocre and our students perform so poorly.
October 19, 2008 @ 3:50 pmAt the end of the day Obama will be the next president, But nothing will change. Much has changed since Bush became president. Thousands of Americans have died protecting us from more box cutter attacks, the abortion mills run unabated, the economy is on life support, Russia has exposed Bush’s foreign policy acumen as worthless, and the power of the presidency has expanded beyond the vision of the constitution.
I find Obama’s “relationship” with William Ayer’s less serious than Bush’s relationship with Dick Cheney.
October 19, 2008 @ 4:07 pmWow, what the hell is this all supposed to prove anyway? If you spent half as much energy on this as you might on Bush, Rove, and Abramoff, maybe you’d uncover something americans should really be worried about. Instead of playing six degrees of kevin bacon games to try to prove your pre-concieved notions, justify your prejudice, and scare people with muslim-commie-terrorist boogeymen, you could explain to us all just exactly why we’re WAY worse off as a country after 8 years of Bush, the first 6 of which you controlled both chambers. Did the government get smaller? Were they fiscally conservative? Republican politicians have RUINED our country. Don’t worry, Obama is NOT the devil, liberals aren’t the enemy, and in a few years, when we’ve cleaned up the mess Bush and Co. have left us, and you still have all your freedoms, you can thank us then. I won’t hold my breath, though.
October 19, 2008 @ 4:08 pmIntersting to see some here attempt to play down his associations. But here is a problem you are ignoring, Obama lied about his associations. Does that not bother you? His associations with Ayers, ACORN, Rezko and others should deeply trouble ANY voter regardless of all the other issues. Why is he lying and how come he is not being held accoutable for these lies? Are you honestly ok with him constantly lying about his past associations and his constantly changing stories. There is more to this then meets the eye for you Obama supporters.
October 19, 2008 @ 4:22 pmIt’s Bin Laden’s fault. In the 1960s airplanes were highjacked to Cuba and the American government did nothing to secure the pilot’s cabin to avoid highjackings. So 9/11 was 10% terrorist planning and 90% American ignorance.
The sophistication and capability of the world-wide terrorist “network” has been severely exaggerated which has produced fear generated politics. World wide unity produced by unwarranted fear will be the instrument used to compromise everything.
Obama will fix everything. :roll:
October 19, 2008 @ 4:25 pmLook, you can pick at this…say it doesn’t matter…call it a distraction. Let’s be honest. If this really didn’t matter, we’d have heard about it before now. It has been hidden precisely because it puts a bad light on Obama’s associations and his honesty with the American people about who he was “palling around with” a decade ago.
Not saying it’s the biggest story ever or that it should matter more than the economy (which he’s also lied about for weeks), but this does matter.
October 19, 2008 @ 4:45 pmPrediction:
October 19, 2008 @ 4:46 pmObama, if elected, will sell out the U.S.A as soon as he has a chance to every dictator on the face of the earth.
That is the only CHANGE he is interested in.
His HOPE!
OBAMA HAS NO PRINCIPLES OR VALUES.
[...] enough to prove that THAT ONE is a liar of the highest magnitude, how about this little ditty from Verum Serum? Ayers, Obama and the Obama blogger/endorser Mike “the Communist” Klonsky all worked [...]
October 19, 2008 @ 4:52 pmclick212 (127) Moxie is promoting socialism. A vote for Odumbo is a vote for socialism. By the way..if you’re comprehension is so bad, you have a liberal teacher to thank. Re-read her socialist post #115. Ask someone to translate it for you. Try to keep up, Click, you’re embarassing to the left. Moxie trolls regularly at the AT blogs and spews nonsense. I too have lived in Japan. Ask Moxie if she donated a pair of school girl underwear to be sold in a vending machine. They are SOOO far ahead of us. She ever buy a porn magazine from the train vendor? They are SOOOO far ahead of us. I’ve spent numerous years living in socialist countries. A more passionless society cannot be had. We don’t need that in the US. We don’t want that in the US. Churches do more charity than the government and are better at it. Liberalism and socialism want to remove God from the equation. And by the way…what information did I filter? None. The fact that it’s true and you don’t like it is no reason to ignore it. By the way…It’s the right to bear arms unless you’re living under Sharia law which is coming. Don’t bother asking me where my gun is when it shows up…Odumbo will have taken that right away…right away with his first SCOTUS nomination. You bring up Jay Walkers…California is one of the most liberal states in the land. Great education system they got going there, isn’t it?? I’ll take my independent thinking, reading, ‘riting, and ‘rithmatic education any day over an Ayers’ version.
October 19, 2008 @ 5:15 pmTo Click 212 (132):
“Thanks” for the support. You’re absolutely right-on. I did not promote socialism in my post. I did describe conditions, here, and as an adult education teacher, I see the condition of conditions here, daily.
To Rob Z (130): “Thanks, man, for your suggestions. I’m an open-minded sort of gal, so I’ll give them consideration. I have a few suggestions for you, too. First, you could show a little respect. There’s no need to go into attack mode. I’m not attacking you, so please return the consideration. Secondly, in light of your following comment,
“I’ll bet you gave A’s to all those that regurgitate the stupidity you spew on a daily basis. Oh wait…can’t have competition…can’t have people fail on their own…socialism requires we give them a smiley face instead of an A and a pass even if they fail. World ranking #100…here we come. Go hand out buttons at the Union Hall and march goosestep to Odumbo, The ONE.”
I would like to know, how you would explain the recent doling out of $700 billion of our hard-earned cash(that’s a lot of smiley faces) to those kind and generous, but no less failing people of Wall Street and the banks and sub-prime mortgage lenders. How about our government, getting us all in the position, so they could take control of the banking industry?! I think they call that nationalizing the banking industry? What happened to competition? I thought those guys who failed should be allowed to fail, just like the rest of us. I mean, if I break my leg and can’t work, thereby losing my paycheck and subsequently my house, I’m out on the street. Right? Isn’t that how it is supposed to work in your world?
Oh, and I may be a washed up radical adult educator, but guess what? On Nov.5, radicalism will once again be in vogue, because nothing short of radical restructuring is required. And oh, yeah, this is a battle for a new world order and you know, I ain’t afraid of a fight, not one litle bit. Bring it on!
October 19, 2008 @ 5:47 pm[...] Verum Serum: Crossing Paths Daily: Obama and Ayers Shared an Office (Update: For Three Years) [...]
October 19, 2008 @ 6:07 pmPlease take note of the name, Mike Klonsky, who was co-director of Small School Workshop/University of Illinois in chicago.
October 19, 2008 @ 6:52 pmMike Klonsky is a former Underground Weatherman.
[...] Posted by The Paperboy Just a guy in the hood… Link here I share office space with people whose NAMES I don’t even know. This thread is fucking [...]
October 19, 2008 @ 8:10 pm[...] Report: Obama Shared Office With Ayers And Communist Leader Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 11:22 pm Posted by Steven in Presidential Election checkDigg(“http://www.bucksright.com/report-obama-shared-office-with-ayers-and-communist-leader-1911″, “1911″, “http://www.bucksright.com”); A blogger has managed to shed even more light on the close, long standing relationship between Presidential candidate Barack Obama and unrepentant terrorist Bill Ayers, digging into the records of one of Ayers’ radical school charities and the tax filings of Chicago’s Annenberg Challenge, chaired by Obama, and finding that they shared the same street address. 115 South Sangamon Street Floor 3 in Chicago. [...]
October 19, 2008 @ 8:22 pmMoxie, First, thank me for going after your capabilities. It’s the only thing you can defend. You support socialism when you support Odumbo. Take your $700 billion dollar bailout whine and go talk to Franklin Raines, Chris Dodd, Barney Frank and his butt buddy in Fanny Mae, and Maxine Waters. You don’t understand deregulation either. Deregulation allowed BOA, Wells Fargo, and others to take over the failing banks without the tax payer shelling out a dime. Deregulation is a good thing. Lack of oversight enabled the democrats to raid and plunder the American taxpayer. Not all banks have been nationalized. The fact that the Govt. took a stake in the deal is to, we hope, ensure that the taxpayer doesn’t get ripped off. When they pay the money back, Ala Chrysler, the government gets out. It’s prudent, it may not be capitalism but it is the best solution to keep the small guy from really getting taken to the cleaner. Your union pension probably invested in it. The Sub-prime situation has been a democrat debacle. Nearly wholly owned. Ignore the facts and spew lies. That’s what the left does. When the people in the democratic party admit to their failings and you don’t pay any attention to it nor give it credibility, it reduces your own. Bill Clinton, for chrissakes, said it was a democrat problem, so did others. For once he’s being honest. The issue on this blog is: When your “Chosen One” lies and lies and lies about where’s he been, what he’s done, and what he’s said…and you still back him…that reflects poorly on your judgment. As such, it sheds serious doubt on your ability to lead, teach, or work in a position of power. Poor judgment extends beyond the candidate you back. Voting for Odumbo is bad judgment.
Regarding “my world”: If you break your leg and you can’t teach, explain to me why you didn’t buy disability insurance? Too lazy? Too expensive? Home owning isn’t just paying the mortgage. If you break your leg and you sit on your ass waiting for the government to help, you deserve to loose what you have. Capitalism is an active society. You do and you’ll do well. You don’t “do” and you’ll fail. Not my fault. The opportunities are there and always have been. Also, if you’re a church going person there’s no shame in asking your church members for help. It’s called a SUPPORT group. That you discard other avenues for help is just like a liberal. Look to the government first. Wise up. Your 47. Act like it. Look to the government last. Prepare for the worst and look for the best. Have faith in your abilities and your friends abilities to help you. Go read the parable of the grasshopper and the ant. Teach that to your students. You might learn a few things about socialism. Lastly, home owning isn’t a right, it’s a responsibility. Health care is not a right. You of all people should understand how medicare/medicaid and Title XXI work. Maybe you don’t. Not my fault. Parents who don’t make $36K are covered under SCHIP if they enroll or medicaid. Depends on the state. Some states have higher income limits. Your “our children don’t have health care” is a strawman argument. The care is there. Health care is not the issue on this blog entry, personal responsibility and character are. Odumbo has lied to the American people more than 100 times in 100 days, and you want to put a liar in the Whitehouse. That’s good liberal judgement.
By the way, I’ve prepared my finances and business in the event of an Odumbo win. Maybe you should psychologically prepare yourself for an Odumbo loss. You have a lot of BDS.
October 19, 2008 @ 8:41 pm[...] Serum uncovered that the Chicago Annenberg Challenge (during Obama’s tenure as chair) was in the same office [...]
October 19, 2008 @ 8:49 pm[...] http://www.verumserum.com/?p=2907 [...]
October 19, 2008 @ 8:50 pmLook at the size of the building. It is really fairly small with 10 windows in the front and 3 windows on the side.The back section of the building is only 2 stories. There is no way in hell that they would not have crossed paths with a third story that small.
October 19, 2008 @ 9:06 pm[...] http://www.verumserum.com/?p=2907 [...]
October 19, 2008 @ 9:33 pm[...] The two strangers also worked in the same office building for 3 years, according to this piece: Crossing Paths Daily: Obama and Ayers Shared an Office (Update: For Three Years) | Verum Serum [...]
October 19, 2008 @ 10:08 pmHey Roger,
October 19, 2008 @ 10:10 pmMore accusations? Is that the best you can do? You’re pretty lame bozo. I’m proud of the Lord (not me) for keeping me on the straight and narrow for all these years – it’s beats jail or making restitution to the victim. You can call that fake piety, I call it moving in the right direction. I’ve met plenty of punks like you in my life – today I have the freedom to laugh and simply walk away.
Rob Z,
“There you go again,” making false judgments. Please exhale and reread my posts. Try to be a good christian and stop calling people names. I have read Moxie’s earlier posts. However, unlike you I believe that we all have a right to our beliefs even though we may not agree with them.
The premise of our democracy is just that. FYI, I am an independent and am guided by issues and the character of a candidate, and a fierce defense of our democratic principles. Many people who have good paying jobs and families are still having problems paying for health care, it is that exorbitant. It appears from what you write that you are totally out of touch with reality. There are economic forces beyond our control that can and have put hard working people on the street. Life is unpredictable and not always will your savings and nest egg and family and friends will be able to help bail you out. especially if they too are being affected by economic down turns.
Historically from the beginning of human societies, bonds were formed to help the community survive so that the race could survive. Socialism that you so hate has always been necessary for humans to progress. Capitalism as we know it as an economic force whose fluctuations of supply and demand determines the fate of countries is a product of the industrial revolution. Your Jesus, was a socialist leader everything he preached was about sharing, giving, and teaching us to be our brothers keepers. It doesn’t mean that we should create welfare states. No. It means that we should create environments where everyone has opportunity to contribute to the society they live in so no one sector will carry the burden for another. You sound as if you are filled with fear, of anyone taking from you the little that you have. You sound like a bitter and poor soul who can’t abide by the failings of others. You speak as if people who don’t do what you do are liabilities to you personally. You assume that being poor is a moral failing, that coming from working class is un American. To you everyone must be upper middle class. Because if you have money to invest and save and pay for your own health care should you need it then you have the right to breathe air. How delusional is that? How immature is that? Look around you. People are losing their jobs and homes. But heck, they aren’t as resourceful and smart as you are so “let them eat cake.” That’s what you sound like a spiteful queen, like Marie Antoinette. Aren’t you special! Where is the christian goodwill you so ardently believe in?
You believe in a fantasy that can never be. The world is changing around constantly. You have no compassion or wisdom. All you have is hatred and fear. Let’s see how far that will get you. For one thing you are not convincing at all.
October 19, 2008 @ 10:48 pmMcCain’s apparent naiveté and reluctance to really “fight” prevented him from doing the same kind of hardball opposition research and investigation that Obama did late in the game on Sarah Palin. They didn’t really find that much, but little things were gladly magnified by the O-press-ers.
If he had early on investigated the situation in Chicago, he could have presented a substantive case related FIRST to education, something people care a lot about TODAY, not past terrorism. Expose the radical Marxist nature of Ayer’s ideas for education, and the unavoidable conclusion — based on money handed down, book endorsements and even shared offices — that Obama also surely harbors those ideas.
Millions of parents across the country would have been turned off big time. THEN perhaps top the whole thing off by focusing on the bombings, and the botched bombing which WOULD HAVE killed dozens at least, and the un-repentance.
Now, time is running out. It’s simply too late to start running a coherent campaign that might actually resonate with people.
October 19, 2008 @ 10:51 pmA couple additional documents to lend support to the story. These are located at the Department of Education, so there’s no denying their authenticity.
1995 article by Klonsky, with address of SSW listed on the last page:
http://www.eric.ed.gov/ERICWebPortal/Home.portal?_nfpb=true&ERICExtSearch_SearchValue_0=%22Klonsky+Michael%22&ERICExtSearch_SearchType_0=au&_pageLabel=RecordDetails&objectId=0900019b800a6505&accno=ED386517&_nfls=false
1999 report by Annenberg Foundation listing CAC’s address on page 42:
http://www.eric.ed.gov/ERICWebPortal/Home.portal?_nfpb=true&ERICExtSearch_SearchValue_0=Chicago+Annenberg+Challenge&searchtype=basic&ERICExtSearch_SearchType_0=kw&pageSize=10&eric_displayNtriever=false&eric_displayStartCount=11&_pageLabel=RecordDetails&objectId=0900019b800c0a78&accno=ED447586&_nfls=false
October 19, 2008 @ 11:52 pm[...] Barack Obama and William Ayers shared an office at 115 S. Sangamon Street, Chicago, Illinois, for three years. [...]
October 20, 2008 @ 12:14 amNot sure if this is useful information or not, but in an article in the May 1994 issue of Educational Leadership, Klonsky listed Ayers’ address at UIC as the contact info for Small Schools Workshop. Available at EBSCO Host.
October 20, 2008 @ 12:36 amyou can’t just google your way out of the ‘straight talk to nowhere going down a cliff in flames’.
just keep googling for stuff.
nobody cares.
i think it is going to take a very long time to recover for the GOP.
and rightly so.
meanwhile i hope the democrats will change the election system big time.
possibly get rid of electoral vote and replace it with popular vote.
October 20, 2008 @ 12:50 amRob Z.
I may be the ignorant one here, but I’ve re-looked at post 115, and the only part I can find that comes close to defending socialism is the final quote “All men and women are created equal”. Presumably, though, that’s not something you would disagree with?
If there’s something else and I’ve missed it, perhaps you could be good enough to quote it for me – possibly with an explanation, since I’ve already read it without getting it.
October 20, 2008 @ 1:10 amSocialism – “A form of government that believes in having dinner on the grounds”
:lol:
October 20, 2008 @ 3:16 amNo Keith, you are in good company. John and Scott are co-chairs of the ignorance brigade, and I am the court jester. So, my friend, your ignorance comes highly recommended! :lol:
October 20, 2008 @ 3:27 amPlease–Obama was CHAIR of the group. That’s a volunteer position. He did not even HAVE an office.
October 20, 2008 @ 4:01 amUgh. Really, I’m shocked at the blind following this man continues to have. It seems so clear, so obvious, who the hero is that can run this country, not the Puppetmaster that will destroy it. Great post, thanks so much!
October 20, 2008 @ 6:35 amWow, I missed a whole day on this thread. Was busy riding in a bike race for chairty for five hours and recovering for the rest. I missed out on a lot. But…
Actually the Bible does not endorse any particular form of government (other than self government) and you find all forms represented to some degree in Bible history, even communism (Acts 2:44 & 4:32 – they had all things common). PLEASE DON’T ASSUME I AM OR EVER WOULD BE A COMMUNIST. The statement is an observation not a swearing of allegiance.
BTW, Nelson Mandela rubbed shoulders during the struggle against Apartheid with all kinds of ideological undesirables (some much worse than Ayers) and they worked together well. The only thing they had in common was opposition to apartheid. Once the struggle was over they went their separate ways. The association did not make the man.
Disclaimer: Keith, I didn’t mean to put words in your mouth with my comment (#17). I actually meant to say as much and forgot. Apologies.
October 20, 2008 @ 6:51 am[...] MSM – wake up and expose him for what he is. October 20, 2008 Posted by Sandra in Politics. Tags: friends ayers and obambi, nobama trackback http://www.verumserum.com/?p=2907 [...]
October 20, 2008 @ 7:04 amTo Rob Z (146):
Mr. Z,
You are so consumed with hatred and arrogance. In response to your statement: “Is it any wonder that our students have gone from #1 to #42 in the world with you and your ilk in control.” As a matter of record, I don’t teach our children and I am definitely not in control of our failing education system. I’m not in a union and I don’t have employer provided health benefits. I do what I do because it is necessary. I teach adults, who as children, were disenfranchised from our education system. Among my students have been the homeless, gang members, ex-offenders, the mentally ill, people who have learning challenges and immigrants. I have seen more than I can stomach of how our institutions have failed to follow through on their commitments. I have been politicized by my work in education and child welfare. In addition to being a “washed up teacher” I am also a “washed up” social worker. So I guess you and I can never see eye to eye on anything, because you have your eyes firmly established on the outcome and don’t really give a d— about who you have to step on to get there. You obviously don’t care how Capitalism works and like Nero, you wash your hands of all responsibility. Your very sick existence is contingent upon the thousands of working class young women and men, who enlist to fight your wars, for a shot at a college education and a better future for themselves and their families. But to someone like you, this is just sentimental nonsense. You are so quick to disown blame, Mr. Z. in a country as wealthy, privileged and blessed as ours no one is blameless. The difference between you and I is that you relish in “intellectualizing” your crimes. I try to do my best to help your victims. Despite attacks by you and others like you, at age 56, I haven’t lost my resolve or hardened my heart. Christ asks nothing less of me or you, for that matter.
October 20, 2008 @ 7:36 amClick and Moxie, name one poor person that gave you a job and paid you for it. When I challenge you to support your positions you fall flat. You can’t defend a serial liar yet you try. How pathetic is that? Do you not see where your character is severly damaged. Your dear leader lies and lies repeatedly and that’s ok with you because he makes you feel good about yourself. As a “christian” you don’t exercise good judgment in supporting him. An appeal to emotion is the last resort of the failed argument.
To show you how messed up your dear leader’s priorities are….he canceled the singing of the National Anthem so he could have one or two more disciple laud him. Nice….real nice.
P.S. Don’t confuse passion with anger. Liberals do that. Troll on ladies….troll on.
October 20, 2008 @ 8:30 amKeith:
http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/?p=731
Perhaps you and that other person called “not the only one” need to read some handy links that I had already provided.
Not a biggie.
No heavy lifting was required on this one.
Thanks,
SWT
October 20, 2008 @ 8:41 am[...] with Ayers for three years – served on the Annenberg Challenge board with Ayers – funnelled millions of dollars to Ayers – launched his political career from Ayers’ home – [...]
October 20, 2008 @ 8:53 amDon’t dim your own light, Rob. Tomorrow will come, the sun will rise, and all will be well. We get the leaders we deserve. Given that, we’ve been in the service of the wrong agenda during the last 8 years. Things can’t get much worse or can they? The only place to go is up, unless we persist in living our lives by the seven deadly sins.
Do take care and God bless you.
October 20, 2008 @ 9:12 am[...] Bill Ayers and I work in the same office for three years? Of course we did. I’ve never denied that. And yes, it was a very small office, which [grins] was not illegal [...]
October 20, 2008 @ 10:32 am[...] The media continues to be non-critical of Obama. Nothing new. Ayers problem is no problem at all. Maybe you can let your children hang with drug dealers and say they were just people in the neighborhood. Verum Serum. [...]
October 20, 2008 @ 10:39 amWakefield
you originally said;
Which, if you actually read the source article you would know is not true.
So the Sharia courts have found a loophole in an old piece of legislation to allow them to operate within strictly regulated guidelines. Sharia law absolutely has not been enacted in Great Britain. Everything you say about Europe is untrue.
October 20, 2008 @ 12:54 pmI notice you were unable to find an example from the entire population of living economists in the world today, all of whom would agree in saying that what we have in Europe is Market Socialism.
Rob Z. – you seem to have missed this before. I did ask nicely.
I may be the ignorant one here, but I’ve re-looked at post 115, and the only part I can find that comes close to defending socialism is the final quote “All men and women are created equal”. Presumably, though, that’s not something you would disagree with?
If there’s something else and I’ve missed it, perhaps you could be good enough to quote it for me – possibly with an explanation, since I’ve already read it without getting it.
October 20, 2008 @ 12:56 pmKeith,
either deference is being made to such law, “officially” encoded or not.
Or not.
It is. And thus you missed the point of the reference.
What it means, since you’re deciding not to pay close attention, is that there is in fact a capitulation to Islamic demands for deference to their own enclaves.
Imagine the uproar if any other nation had the equivlanet of an “Islamic Congress”, as Canada does for example, and if the US or others decided by comparison to have enclaves of “Christian Law”, or where de fact polygamy is now legal and the issue of inheretence surrounding it is legitimized apart from traditional law. Like, for example, what used to be called “British Common Law.”
As to the rest, you might like to read Mark Steyn’s America Alone when you parrot those statements to the effect that another train bombing where the imams interviewed are totally nonplussed about bombing their fellow Brits into egg-sized chunks, or where high percentages believe in conspiracy theories that the US dynamited the Twin Towers.
Steyn has the demographic trends and tables all listed out across the board.
For economists, George Reisman and William E. Simon would certainly feel that what is often called “Market Socialism” has come to most of Europe.
The Reality is the activity, though, and not just the term. When you have massive segments of the economy under direct control of governing bodies whose interest is public and not private, you’re on the path to socialism, just based on market activity as the supposed regulator of prices, consumer input, feedback, etc. You can call a pig a rose and not make it smell much better. So a pig it remains.
Everything I say about Europe is untrue? Wow. That’s quite a statement, Keith. Certainly on the demographics and the cultural trends they have some radical problems.
October 20, 2008 @ 1:34 pmWhy this matters and is not some trivial moment:
October 20, 2008 @ 1:38 pmI just had lunch with Bill Ayers. He had the large salad and I had the grilled cheese. We agreed of feeding hungry children but hit a snag on the bombing thing.
He hasn’t made up his mind about who he will vote for yet. :lol:
October 20, 2008 @ 1:39 pm[...] Jon at Verum Serum for a look at his verifying screen shots and updates on the monies directly distributed by Barack [...]
October 20, 2008 @ 2:04 pmWakefield
But what you said was untrue!
Which it isn’t, as the article you linked to clearly stated. Yes, there is a legitimate point to be made, but that wasn’t the point you were making.
Just a link, that’s all I wanted – don’t feed me a name and expect me to do your leg work for you! Find me where they’ve said that, then put a link in, please.
So are you conceding that what you said was incorrect here, or do I have to go finding examples of Economist who would disagree over the terminology?
What I’m trying to point out here is that often in your bravado you overstate a perfectly valid point, straying into the realms of unsupportable arguments or exaggerations of the facts. Which is what I was also demonstrating by saying “Everything you write about Europe is untrue”. Which it’s not.
Please, though, what does “all bets are off” mean?
October 20, 2008 @ 2:06 pm[...] of Chicago office building. (Klonsky also had an office in the same location.) Best source to date: Verum Serum (original reporting), Retrieved October 20, [...]
October 20, 2008 @ 4:56 pm[...] we learn from Verum Serum that Obama and Ayers actually shared an office address at 115 S. Sangamon Street in Chicago. This [...]
October 20, 2008 @ 5:13 pm[...] Jon at Verum Serum for a look at his verifying screen shots and updates on the monies directly distributed by Barack [...]
October 20, 2008 @ 5:14 pm[...] he got older and, presumably, smarter, he didn’t know anything about Bill Ayers even though he worked on the same floor of the same small office building with the guy and liked one of the guys books well enough to write a blurb about it. Besides, Ayers [...]
October 20, 2008 @ 5:41 pmI am late responding to some entries on Friday but here goes anyway:
Ennis P: Your statement that Rush Limbaugh and Wright are both just “entertainers” is intellectually bankrupt in my view. Limbaugh has not preached hatred of a race for 20 odd years nor has he demonized the government in general for 20 odd years. He has criticized and even demonized the leader at times but not the government nor the entire people. Wright is a hate monger, specifically he hates whites and the US government in general and has preached this for 20 or more years. Limbaugh is supportive of those who agree with his ideas regardless of race.
Rick: Jesus physically confronted the money changers in the temple and chased them out. Why he did that is because he believed the place was a sacred place and was prepared to do whatever was necessary to defend it. I would do the same with my home or my family. The new testament does not conflict with defending those things a person holds sacred.
Keith: We are just going to have to disagree with who is a “gossiper” or disciple of ideas. The journalists of the left in my view offer only gossip. They do not offer ideas unless you consider marxism a viable idea. Some journalists of the right offer gossip but most offer ideas. It probably does not matter because in this day and age almost all of the mainstream media has nothing whatsoever to do with old fashioned journalism.
Carol, thank you for correcting my error with regard to Obama’s mother. While “egg on your face” is always embarrassing, it is often necessary. I hope she is with God and is thinking clearer these days.
October 20, 2008 @ 5:47 pmKeith:
“all bets are off” refers to Europe being a model for America to emulate in the future.
As, well, current trending would indicate they have none.
How does that old song go, originally sung to taunt the Nazis about “when its over, over there!”
October 20, 2008 @ 5:54 pmRob,
I want you to have he last word. I know it means a lot to you. Good night and good luck. Girl you need it. You thought I am a female and I thought you were a male. Funny isn’t it.
October 20, 2008 @ 7:28 pmHello Jim Bob,
As a former Judge, I would have found you to be quite a case study. It’s doubtful that you are from the Hudson River Valley and I don’t recall anyone fitting your MO coming before me. However,one thing you can be sure of, if you had come before me,I would have had compassion on your sorry sociopathic ass and probably would have tried to work with you.
You may be fooling some people with your perceived rehab from a sociopathic loose cannon, but I think it becomes very apparent to those reading your rants, that you are a couple of clowns short of a circus, and operating on the edge.
October 20, 2008 @ 7:34 pmEnnis: Proving astroturfing is not dead.
October 20, 2008 @ 9:12 pmIn response to some commenters…
Yes, Jesus told his followers they should share with each other (and even ‘others’, pace the Good Samaritan), but, funny, I’m pretty darned sure I don’t recall him ever telling Christians that they should *become* Caesar in order to compel it.
I’d also add that it is only our abundance, our ‘excess’, which makes material charity possible in any even somewhat effective quantity. Destroy the capital (in the old sense) in order to spread it out and everyone is ultimately left the poorer.
What good does that do?
October 20, 2008 @ 9:12 pm[...] Ayers: Just some guy in Obama’s neighborhood that he shared an office with for 3 years. [...]
October 20, 2008 @ 10:30 pm[...] Ayers: Just some guy in Obama’s neighborhood that he shared an office with for 3 years. [...]
October 20, 2008 @ 11:01 pmThis is elastic exegesis at its best. I believe Timothy McVey uses the same interpretive method. I guess when Jesus told Peter to put down the sword he was making what we Biblical scholars call the “Gethsemane Exception”.
October 21, 2008 @ 12:18 amHey John, don’t you find it interesting that people find the polls as part of their reference material? One day it’s 49-41 and the next day its 45-45. How dumb are people?
And the only polls that can give some trend info are the state polls, but even then they are volatile, subjective, tethered to the question construction, and subject to the demographics used.
Parlaying upon my Hillary Clinton credibility, I see a Obama landslide. If that comes to pass, I pray for his safety and that we can lead a peaceful life. I pray the same for McCain. Both men to me have shown incredible character and seem like flawed but genuine men. I think McCain may be a believer, but I cannot say that with assurance about Obama.
In the end, we will answer to God for our own lives and how we prayed for these men. Presidential politics are a case study in divisiveness and carnality, even in the church. After the election all of us need to ask God for a genuine love for whoever is elected.
I again openly confess my sin of enjoying the theatrics of this event. On election night I will be thinking of you, John. I must admit you are dedicated to what you believe, including your faith.
October 21, 2008 @ 12:47 amWakefield – thyank you. I still don’t get it, but thanks for the explanation. I’m afraid I don’t know the song.
Newscaper – you’re right about becoming Ceaser. As a socialist Christian that is the biggest flaw I see in socialism. However;
Ever read the story of the widow’s might? The biggest flaw I see in Capitalism is the dependance we start to have on ourselves undermining our faith that God is supreme and will provide if we have a sacrificial heart.
October 21, 2008 @ 1:04 amI’ve been following this thread for several days now (is that the right term?). Anyway, I still believe alot of people are missing the point, which is, the American people have fallen so far from the ideal of limited government and respect for the Judeo-Christian values which undergird our founding documents that we are preparing to elect a man who:
1. Defends infanticide;
2. Believes the tax code should “spread the wealth around”; and
3. Wants to “end” a war instead of “win” a war.
Apparently, the reason a huge number of Americans are ready to vote for Sen. Obama is that they believe they will end up with more money in their own pockets.
Sad.
October 21, 2008 @ 6:10 amBingo! And many evangelicals will be voting that way as well.
October 21, 2008 @ 7:10 amListen to the last debate. McCain asked Obama about socializing with Ayres; about Ayres stating in 2001 that he regretted that he did not do more bombing; he asked Obama about stopping the derogatory comments at his rallies. To all of these OBAMA WAS SILENT. He wouldn’t deny because he couldn’t deny. The only thing in McCains questions to him that he could deny and did deny was that he did not start his political career in Ayres living room. And I beleive Obama is not lying about that. He must believe he launched it elsewhere so he could deny it with out lying. But his lack of denial on the rest speaks vplumes. He would not lie so he says nothing about it. But much worse than Obama’s silence is THE SILENCE OF THE PRESS. Months ago when first questioned about Ayres, his response was “He’s just a guy that lives down the street.”
Again worse than that statement was that THE PRESS did not follow that up at all. MCCAIN HAD TO. No one else would because it would be negative to Obama. It was well known that they served together on boards. It was some what less well known that they socialized. And Obama knew that in 2001 Ayres stated that he regretted that he hadn’t bombed more. Obama didn’t lie. he didn’t tell the whole truth. But the silence of the press is deafening.
So the press only continues reporting on Obama supporters asking why did McCain ask about Ayres? The answer is McCain knew the truth that Obama wouldn’t speak, and the press did not ask and the press continues not to report on Obama’s known connectionsto Ayres. All you see are the sound bites the press chooses to show, of Biden and buddies asking why is McCain being negative and linking Obama to terror? The press would have us believe that Biden has nothing positive to say about Obama? The only message the press wants us dumb voters to hear is McCain is negative? They never mention that Obama has already spent more money on negative ads then anyone in history and the biggest spending always goes into the last 2 weeks. But the press reports McCain is negative. Silence on Obama’s spending obscene amounts on a negative campaign.
The only thing worse than biased reporting is veiled biased reporting.
October 21, 2008 @ 7:31 amYou people are such losers can’texcept the fact Obama is going to win the Presidency so you’re pulling all the stories from up unde rocks and whatever slimy way you can get it, and guess what it’s called KARMA, if you believe nothing else believe that. Good Luck in all your foul derogatory low life accusations it is the intelligence and highly educated who understands exactly what you’re doing unfortunately there’s probably more ignorance out there that reads and believes Crap like this
October 21, 2008 @ 7:56 amCarol writes:
…American people have fallen so far from the ideal of limited government and respect for the Judeo-Christian values which undergird our founding documents that we are preparing to elect a man who:
1. Defends infanticide;
2. Believes the tax code should “spread the wealth around”; and
3. Wants to “end” a war instead of “win” a war.
Item 1: Obama never defended infanticide. He voted against a bill that undermined a woman’s right to choose that contained language regarding medical treatment following live birth. He has pointed out repeatedly that laws on the books of Illinois already required medical treatment for such new-borns and this bill was entirely unnecessary. He did not and does not support infanticide.
Voting against unnecessary, duplicative legislation is actually support for more “limited government.”
Item 2: One of the cornerstones of Judeo-Christian values is spreading the wealth around. Charity — by definition, those that have, giving to those that are less fortunate — is one of the primary tenets of Christianity and Judaism.
Item 3: Jesus was a man of peace. If you accept Jesus then you cannot ignore his mission of bringing Peace on Earth, good will toward men and an end of suffering.
You may oppose abortion, support war and keep all your money for yourself but don’t use my religion as the rationale. Those are your opinions, obviously not the opinions of the majority of religious people in this country.
October 21, 2008 @ 8:32 amIt’s either Obama is a Christian who attended a radical black church on the SOuth side of Chicago or he is a muslim who palled around with domestic terrorist Bill Ayers. You folks can’t have it both ways. Choose one.
October 21, 2008 @ 8:36 amRoger, thanks for the psychotherapy – I appreciate it. It gave me a good laugh.
October 21, 2008 @ 10:03 amI WORK IN A BUILDING WITH MANY PEOPLE AND HAVE NEVER MET THEM ALSO I DO BUSINESS FOR MY COMPANY FOR MANY OTHERS THAT I HAVE NEVER MET SO WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY. tHE COUNTRY IS IN A TERRIBLE FINANCIAL CRISIS AND THE BEST YOU CAN WRITE ABOUT IS THE ADDRESS OF WHERE OBAMA ONCE WORKED AS THE SAME ADDRESS AS BILL AYRES. YOUR NEWS PEICE SMACKS OF RACISM AND THERE IS A WHOLE LOT OF IGNORANT PEOPLE WHO HANG YOURS AND OTHERS LIKE YOURSELF WORDS. IF YOU DO NOT LIKE OBAMA THATS YOUR CHOICE BUT DO NOT PRINT NONSENSE THAT VERY IRRESPONSIBLE AND INCITE VIOLENCE IN THE IGNORANT I AFORE MENTION.
October 21, 2008 @ 10:10 amare you kidding,this is all you have? So, if mccain was linked to the VC what would you do about that,furthermore mccain is linked to the Russian envoy, for donations to his campaign,,second Palin’s husband was a member of the AIP and extreme anti american group…dont go throwing stones at glasas houses
October 21, 2008 @ 10:38 amHey is this a Christean bog site? If so help me understand what the church says about divorcing. OHHH that’s right McCain yeah left his poor ex-wife for another woman bless her poor soul. McCain does not believe in faith, yet I guess since he’s your guy it’s ok for him to do what the bibles states one should never do. Til death due us part. McCain will tun his back on the American people like he did his ex-wife for another.
October 21, 2008 @ 10:56 am[...] made a series of very poor choices by serving on boards and sharing an office with Bill Ayers (for three years); Ayers’ organization killed three police officers, bombed numerous government facilities and [...]
October 21, 2008 @ 10:59 amThat is a serious charge. Please provide the evidence. I have never detected any racism in either John or Scott.
Inciting violence?? Please take a deep breath and attempt to enjoin the topic with some semblance of lucidity. :)
October 21, 2008 @ 11:20 amLet me get this straight:
Thomas Ayers — late philanthropist father of ex-Weather Underground (WU) devotee Bill Ayers — was good buddies with Richard Daley, Sr., who was the Chicago Mayor who ordered the police riot that beat the Hell out of young anti-war protesters during the 1968 Democratic Convention, and who during Senator Abraham Ribbicoff’s address to the convention, yelled from the front row of delegate seats “Sit down you jew bastard, you lousy motherucker!”.
Bill Ayers and the current Chicago Mayor, Richard Daley, Jr., are good friends.
The first bombing done by the WU was of a statue paying tribute to Chicago policemen, in retaliation for the police riot ordered by Mayor Daley, Sr.
From this absurd springboard, a so-called “tipster” comences a tangled web of purported “connections” among various people and declares that his socio-gram proves that Obama is a terorist-loving revolutionary socialist.
This joke of a “story” almost makes Lyndon LaRouche sound sane.
Now, here’s a similar argument we WON’T read here from the same conspiracy theorists:
On 9/11, the Carlisle Group was meeting. Attending that meeting were, among others, Carlisle Group counsel James Baker III (George H.W. Bush’s lawyer & Sec’y of State), Osama Bin Laden’s father, and George H.W. Bush.
All airlines are grounded in the wake of the attack, except for special flights whisking out of the country several members of Bin Laden’s family — including his father — and other Saudis.
Families of 9/11 victims sue Saudi Arabia for its involvement in the attack.
Saudi Arabia is represented in court by none other than James Baker III, who succeeds in defeating the claims.
George W. Bush falsely blaims Iraq for 9/11 and manages to procure Congressional approval for an invasion of Iraq.
The Carlisle Group — an equity firm that buys firms manufacturing vehicles and hardware for the armed forces — makes a killing (literally as well as figuratively) off of war materiel sent to the Iraq War; the firm is largely responsible for the delay in properly armored Humvees and other personnel vehicles, costing hundreds of U.S. soldiers their lives.
Form the above, we conclude that:
George H.W. Bush is a pro-Saudi, pro-Bin Laden, Islamic fundamentalist sympathizer who emnbraces terrorism as a legitimate means of futhering his poitical agenda.
Oh! Did I mention that George H.W. Bush and James Baker III once SHARED AN OFFICE?
October 21, 2008 @ 11:27 amNot reading much more of this weirdness, I work on the 2nd floor of a building with people I rarely see, because I am working.
October 21, 2008 @ 12:13 pmWhat is with you people? I have attended retirement luncheons with some, but I certainly don’t think I know them well nor share much of the politics of the ones I do vaguely know. What reality are you from?
Prof. Ayers has been teaching for several years now.Guess all students that took any of his classes will be termed terrorists and sometime in future,’Christians’ will give them a hard time should they seek political office since they have shared space with Ayers while receiving his lectures.Truth is whatever you look for,you’ll find,even if it means twisting sentences out of original context.Muslims believe Jesus had a divine birth but there are still some who think Joseph and Mary had an intimate relationship to beget Jesus.This hurts because I am a Christian and it’s blasphemy,but guess what?those people have religiously taken time to find bits and pieces in history,take things out of context (just as you are doing now) to prove their point.They can’t be convinced and they have passed this fallacy from generation to generation.I am a very widely travelled,born-again Christian and a highly paid professional.What I have seen is that fear of the unknown has made a lot of people with genuine intentions misrepresent and twist things out of context.
Like I have written in some other blogs,the name ‘Hussein’ is a big deal because it’s been associated with saddam.There are so many Islamic/Arabic names in use here but most people don’t know e.g-Jamal,Amir,Omar,Maryam,Sarai.In several countries,Islamic and Arabic names are entwined just like English/Christian names are.I am not a muslim,I have never had any muslim relatives and will never be one because I believe that Jesus Christ is the way,the truth and the life and no one cometh to the father but by Him;However because of my extensive studies,I have a broader perspective.
We need Love.Unfortunately,there is so much hate now.
October 21, 2008 @ 12:52 pmAfter reading most of these posts, I think the real important parts are: Obama lies about his past, his REAL Relgion-Muslim, he can’t provide a valid birth certificate, he sends money to terrorists while our military forces are trying to route them, has stated on other websites that he is a ‘white hater’ and if God isn’t black he should also be killed, leans to socialism, Marxism and communisum, and didn’t do much of anything during his IL senate years other than campaign for presidency, plus his ‘change’ rhetoric which he never explains! Given all that, plus his association with mob-tied constituents and now radicals – Ayers and Dorne, I can’t understand why the American public haven’t been apprised of all of this. As one post indicated,however, the PRESS is Democratic so they won’t print anything bad against Obama while they go over board against McCain. That isn’t good journalism, it is censuring the news which is exactly what I’ve read that the media does due to the directions of the owners which is still censuring the news! Basing our government practices against foreign ones is ludicrus at the most! Apaartheid has nothing to do with this country. Putting Obama next to MLK is just as absurd! MLK never changed his style from minute to minute – his I Have A Dream never changed and he helped get desegregation laws so that blacks would have the same choices as whites which is as it should be. People don’t need to be discriminated against because of color, race or creed and that should include reverse discrimination as a lot of blacks are very predjudiced against whites to a point of radical behavior of which white people are arrested under the Hate Laws. I think Obama is a very bad choice for president of this great country. McCain may be old, be he doesn’t stop working for the benefit of the American people. He isn’t biased regarding skin color and he answers questions as best he can. To say that all politicians side-step ?’s is absurd as the ones who do are hiding something!
October 21, 2008 @ 12:54 pmAbsolutely right, guys. How perceptive you are, and what GREAT detective work you do. The professors at the university who have worked with him all these years, not to mention countless students, are all OBVIOUSLY terrorists. They were probably in the SAME ROOM with Ayers a LOT. We KNOW the students were right there…face to face with him!! Zowie! Hey, don’t forget about the office staff. They’ve probably seen him EVERY DAY.
October 21, 2008 @ 1:03 pmCall a press conference over there at the university to interview all those terrorists…and then call the cops and round up all those folks. Toss them in prison. They all seem VERY dangerous.
[...] Verum Serum discovered that Ayers and Obama shared an office for 3 years: [...]
October 21, 2008 @ 1:12 pmZoe,
I have never made an issue of Barack Obama’s middle name. In fact, I’m pretty sure it has never appeared in a post on this site. I agree with you (and even with Gen. Powell) that’s a non-issue. However, the blogs I read haven’t tried to make that an issue. Nor have they tried to make an issue of Obama’s birth certificate. Just this morning I responded to an e-mail about that and pointed them to a Hot Air post which cleared that up. Again, it’s not an issue.
The Ayers thing is different. Ayers was a terrorist, he did advocate violent overthrow of the US government which I believe makes him a traitor in the strict sense and he is a “small c communist.” And he’s not just a guy from Obama’s neighborhood. He’s a guy Obama worked closely with just a decade ago. He’s a guy to whom Obama funneled over two million dollars via various boards. And, there’s the likelihood (though it hasn’t broken yet) that Ayers babysat Obama’s kids. If nothing else, it proves the guy has been lying to the American people.
I think people have a right to know who they’re voting for, not the packaged guy who loves to talk about stopping in diners for pie, but the guy who sat in Wright’s church for 20 years and never got creeped out by the paranoia and racism. The guy who palled around with Ayers and his wife, knowing who he was and what he’d done. It matters to some of us.
October 21, 2008 @ 1:13 pmJohn,
Take time to think deeply about your sincere motives.Had McCain been a black man (and Obama- white),you’ll be digging into McCain’s relationship with Gordon Liddy.How about Sarah Palin,she has a much closer relationship as a wife to a registered seccessionist than Obama has with Ayers.If she was black,OMG!!! I fear to think about your write-up because there would be so much to talk about-single unmarried daughter,a self-confessed ‘red-neck’ boyfriend,Sarah giving the opening speech earlier on this year to the AIP convention,her Pastor also has some anti-Semitic teachings,the name of her formerly-owned car-wash was ‘rouge-cou’ which is french for red-neck.The list is endless.As a sincere Christian,I believe God Almighty is about to crush the skull of this subtle and wicked strongman known as ‘racism’.He,God Almighty needs unity now and like the Word says,The violent(righteous)will take it(change) by force(of prayer)!!!There will be tales,stories,lies,but eventually God’s Will will be done.Obama’s crime is that he is ‘Black’.Think deeply,John,really think deeply.
October 21, 2008 @ 2:08 pmWhat is wrong with you people. Brain cancer? Dementia? Were all of you systematically dropped on your heads at a young age? Did religion convice you that paranoia is an ally in the collective conscience of the saved? Are you willing to believe anything???? Marxism? Communism??? Look what has happened to this country in the last eight years. It sickens me. We should all be thrilled it is coming to an end.
October 21, 2008 @ 2:18 pmRead my lips! Americans don’t care. Ayers didn’t cause us to lose our home, or job, or business.He is not responsible for the Wall St. collapse. It’s not his fault that our kids can’t get loans to go to college. We don’t care! Obama is not tainted because this man is an associate. President Reagan had a business association with him also. Get a life, and stop looking ridiculous.
October 21, 2008 @ 2:47 pmJohn,
The main reason I am writing this much is because you say this is a ‘Christian blog site’.As a Christian who loves the Word,I know that the ways of God are past understanding but again,in His infinite wisdom,He leaves a paper-trail so we as His children can understand Him.Several thousand years ago,when the whole world was about to go into famine(today we call it recession),a foreigner by birth,a former slave,a Jew but an Egyptian in every sense of the word-(so Egyptian was he in dressing,speaking,talking,walking e.t.c that even his blood-brothers had no inkling of who he was),was used by God to deliver the world from hunger.
He(Joseph) was chosen over his more experienced previous master,Potiphar as well as the experienced Egyptian Lords and advisers to the King.These people were not too happy but because the Kings in those days were equated to God and there word was law,no one dared complain aloud.
History is repeating itself.The ‘self-righteous’ Egyptians of this generation will complain as others did in times past.Through time God has used the imperfect to work His will.The great-grand-mother of Jesus Christ,Ruth,came from an incestous family;a reformed harlot,Mary Magdalene, was the first to see the risen Christ even before the celibate,righteous Peter et al.
I can go on and on,but I’ll just leave sincere Christians to think deeply about their sincere motives.Again,Obama is not pro-abortion,he is pro-choice.God is pro-choice.Deut 30:19,says(I paraphrase) life and death are before you but I advise you to choose life.The Word tells us God wants above everything that all be saved and have eternal life.However,the Holy Spirit is a gentle Spirit and will not force Himself on anyone.God has given everyone a free spirit and a right to choose.
When Eve was about to eat the forbidden fruit,God saw it all but didn’t come down from heaven to stop her because He knew He had adviced her not to eat of that tree but she still chose to go against His will.
Like I said earlier,I can go on and on.God bless us all and open our eyes of spiritual understanding.
October 21, 2008 @ 2:54 pmSO! Who cares. You just look ridiculous. It’s the economy stupid!
October 21, 2008 @ 2:56 pmSure it is. And the collapse we’ve seen in the last month can largely be laid at the feet of Democrats in Congress and Presidents Clinton and Carter. Barack Obama, as a former community organizer and friend of Acorn, has a direct connection to the source of this problem.
No one is saying the Ayers connection is the whole debate (no one hear anyway), but it is part of a pattern of dishonesty that deserves attention.
October 21, 2008 @ 3:03 pm[...] made a series of very poor choices by serving on boards and sharing an office with Bill Ayers (for three years); Ayers’ organization killed three police officers, bombed numerous government facilities and [...]
October 21, 2008 @ 6:49 pm[...] made a series of very poor choices by serving on boards and sharing an office with Bill Ayers (for three years); Ayers’ organization killed three police officers, bombed numerous government facilities and [...]
October 21, 2008 @ 8:09 pmYou folks are all over-intellectualizing this political race. Obama is being supported simply because he is Black. It matters not that he is unqualified, lacking in experience and meaningful accomplishments, has had nefarious relationships, and is at a minimum a Socialist or Marxist sympathizer. The majority of Blacks will vote for him (including Colin Powell) because he’s black, guilt-ridden whites and Elitists will vote for him because he’s black, and university indoctrinated young people will vote for him because they think voting for a black is cool. It really is as simple as that. The only exception being hard-core democrats who will simply hold their nose in the voting booth.
October 21, 2008 @ 8:37 pmHello Jim Bob,
October 22, 2008 @ 5:25 amI’m glad you appreciated the psychoanalysis. My main concern is that you got a good laugh out of it. To flaunt your anger mismanagement – I believe it is called sadism. You have my sympathies.
Zorro you missed this one–and the point.
“Connection” per se is not the point. Or brushing shoulders. It is said that everyone is connected at some level.
The connection with similar ideology IS the point.
While there might have been no connection of Saddam Hussein to 911-it IS true that Hussein himself had been actively engaged in terrorism, and listed so, by the State Department long before GW Bush left the ranch in Texas. His removal is a good thing. (Unless Obama can work his magic powers to reinstate Saddam to his Vegas 80′ glory days. But that might be too much to ask even for Obama “change” mantra…)
It was a matter of conveninece, and as the Duelfer report stated, while he didn’t have WMD at the time, he certaily wanted them back. The world order cannot withstand that. So while I’ll grant you the Bush Administration’s many errors (and there are lots), Saddam needed to leave the scence as much as Al Quaida.
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One more failing in your handy list of connections—Unlike Bill Ayers, Bin Laden is not writing study guides and curricula enhancements on social policy for US kids.
Like Bin Laden, he remains faithful to the Creed, and totally unrepentant.
October 22, 2008 @ 7:55 amRoger, you’d go broke as a therapist. LOL. Nonetheless, it’s fun goofing on you.
October 22, 2008 @ 10:02 amZoe – John and Scott aren’t racist, you’re barking up the wrong tree. The persitent nature of your barking up the wrong tree without looking for any sign of a cat is starting to look quite comic.
Neither of them has made any kind of deal over Obama’s middle name. Some commentator’s at VS have, but I honestly think they aren’t racist either. Bill H, however, there you may be onto something.
October 22, 2008 @ 12:55 pmThank you, Bill, for providing contrasting evidence of our over intellectualism. Can you say irony? :)
October 22, 2008 @ 2:01 pm[...] this weekend, it was discovered that Barack Obama, terrorist Bill Ayers and Maoist hardliner Mike Klonsky worked together in the [...]
October 22, 2008 @ 5:18 pmIf Obama were white, as Geraldine F. noted, he’d never be in this position. Also, had Hillary found out about Rev. Wright before the Iowa caucus, this guy would be back in the Senate working on his third memoir. He’s an empty suit with a nice voice, and he will be the next president. If you thought the last eight years were bad, wait till you see the damage this moron perpetrates on the Socialist Republic of Amerika. God help all of us.
October 22, 2008 @ 7:44 pm[...] the Klonsky/Ayers Small Schools Workshop with a whopping $1,056,162. And that’s not all. Nearly another million dollars was steered to the Small Schools Workshop by the Joyce and Woods Funds when Obama sat on their [...]
October 22, 2008 @ 7:56 pm[...] Schools Workshop in Chicago, which was funded by the CAC under Barack Obama’s direct supervision to the tune of 1,056,162. Adding that amount to the money given by the Joyce Foundation and Woods Fund during Obama’s [...]
October 22, 2008 @ 11:52 pmTHe OBAMA TIMELINE.
This timeline also has references to it back up.
October 23, 2008 @ 5:30 amhttp://colony14.net/id41.html
[...] the Klonsky/Ayers Small Schools Workshop with a whopping $1,056,162. And that’s not all. Nearly another million dollars was steered to the Small Schools Workshop by the Joyce and Woods Funds when Obama sat on their [...]
October 23, 2008 @ 2:05 pmDon’t compare obamum to anyone more than a common terrorist! As for not having or caring about King being killed, you are a moron. And you have feelings for obamum? Jerk! Your writing must be because you are a leftist columnist and ramble on and on and don’t say anything of importance. Do Not put Christianity to the test; you will lose. God cannot be beat or tricked. You will find out soon enough. God please forgive them for they know not what they are doing.
October 23, 2008 @ 8:20 pmWow, the dumb is very strong with this group.
What I think you people need to face is this:
The things that YOU think are important and matter are NOT mainstream. You are all in the minority. But you all will insist that YOU are the enlightened ones. You all know the truth. Please.
Face it people, you are dinosaurs. Your ever dwindling numbers should be a wakeup call to you but it isn’t. The vast majority of Americans do not identify with your ilk. You are the cancer that plagues this great nation. Enjoy your last throes.
October 23, 2008 @ 8:24 pm[...] the Klonsky/Ayers Small Schools Workshop with a whopping $1,056,162. And that’s not all. Nearly another million dollars was steered to the Small Schools Workshop by the Joyce and Woods Funds when Obama sat on their [...]
October 24, 2008 @ 2:21 am[...] non-threatening front men. I work quietly behind the scenes helping them get a foot in the door, arranging entry-level jobs on foundation boards, hosting their political events, ghostwriting [...]
October 24, 2008 @ 3:35 pm[...] non-threatening front men. I work quietly behind the scenes helping them get a foot in the door, arranging entry-level jobs on foundation boards, hosting their political events, ghostwriting [...]
October 24, 2008 @ 4:55 pm[...] on the third floor at the Chicago Annenberg Challenge. A great article about this connection is here. So these guys were around each other quite a bit in the 1990s. Enough that Obama gave one of [...]
October 25, 2008 @ 12:35 pm[...] also shared an office for apparently three years with Ayers and fellow SDS member Michael Klonsky (a self-described [...]
October 25, 2008 @ 12:55 pmYou two have done a tremendous job.
I appreciate the documentation. Facts first, then conclusions, then passion as appropriate. (Alas, by nature I tend to reverse that order. It’s a struggle.)
God bless.
Greg Ashmore
October 25, 2008 @ 4:43 pm[...] also shared an office for apparently three years with Ayers and fellow SDS member Michael Klonsky (a self-described [...]
October 26, 2008 @ 9:15 pm[...] chairman of CAC, working from the same office, Obama gave over $1 million to the Small Schools Workshop run by Ayers and Klonsky. Oh yes, Klonksy’s wife Susan worked [...]
October 27, 2008 @ 7:18 amI challenge anyone to watch this video all the way through. Is he Racist?? I don’t think so these are the people trying to warn you about what is going to happen If you elect Obama. Don’t be an idiot and trust what your family and friends are telling you..This comes straight from the mouth of one of his own..Soak it up and think about it. I hope that you will…. http://www.atlah.org:80/broadcast/ndnr10-17-08.html
October 28, 2008 @ 9:25 am[...] board of directors of this particular group). It was a profitable partnership for Ayers; Obama sent over $1 million Ayers’ way while he was running the CAC, and got him another million during his time on the [...]
October 30, 2008 @ 9:06 am[...] chairman of CAC, working from the same office, Obama gave over $1 million to the Small Schools Workshop run by Ayers and Klonsky. Oh yes, Klonksy’s wife, Susan worked [...]
October 31, 2008 @ 7:27 am[...] also shared an office for apparently three years with Ayers and fellow SDS member Michael Klonsky (a self-described [...]
November 1, 2008 @ 3:14 pm[...] I feel like we got a righteous wind at our backs here, but we’re going to have to work. We’re going to have to struggle. We’re going to have [...]
November 3, 2008 @ 8:59 am[...] also shared an office for apparently three years with Ayers and fellow SDS member Michael Klonsky (a self-described [...]
November 3, 2008 @ 1:17 pm[...] also shared an office for apparently three years with Ayers and fellow SDS member Michael Klonsky (a self-described [...]
November 3, 2008 @ 8:22 pm“Maybe, in an effort at conservation, they were even carpool buddies. After all, Ayers is a guy from Obama’s neighborhood.” Perhaps they did so under the ‘cover’ of splitting their ‘greenhouse gas’ emissions.
What a bunch of dupes the Obama voters are, and what shame is upon the media for covering up. It is amazing how many who describe themselves (incorrectly) as Christians can vote for Obama who (incorrectly) describes himself as a Christian. Look at what he has said and done. By their fruit you shall know them.
November 4, 2008 @ 2:26 pm[...] chairman of CAC, working from the same office, Obama gave over $1 million to the Small Schools Workshop run by Ayers and Klonsky. Oh yes, Klonksy’s wife, Susan worked [...]
November 6, 2008 @ 11:42 am[...] also not forget that their paths likely crossed on an almost daily basis when Obama and Ayers Shared an Office For Three Years Possibly related posts: (automatically generated)Don’t Forget: Mothers Day is May [...]
November 15, 2008 @ 12:59 am[...] been PUNKED!!! So… Obama didn’t know Ayers???? Reeeeallllyy???? Crossing Paths Daily: Obama and Ayers Shared an Office (Update: For Three Years) | Verum Serum __________________ There is still [...]
November 20, 2008 @ 2:22 pm[...] him born,” and John Kennedy did not airlift his daddy. Bill Ayers is more than a “guy in his neighborhood,” he returned campaign contributions he didn’t get from the friend he didn’t know [...]
December 12, 2008 @ 4:53 amIt’s fascinating that you think two people could “share an office” in what is essentially a mail drop.
The records show that Ayers was employed elsewhere, as was Obama.
How were they “sharing and office” when neither worked at that site?
August 2, 2009 @ 4:37 amEd,
If you look back at comment #55 you’ll see that I noted these facts at the time.
Doesn’t change the fact that this further undercut Obama’s claim Ayers was just “a guy from my neighborhood” but I’ll grant that this story, about the millions of dollars in financial connections between the two, was by far the bigger story.
August 2, 2009 @ 3:33 pm[...] Obama: Career Path toward a Neo-Marxist Presidency,” this Obama is the very man who joined Weather Underground terrorist, Bill Ayers and fellow SDS member Michael Klonsky, a self-described [...]
September 2, 2009 @ 2:38 amVince P., a fantastic compilation & overview of those years and how those individuals’ lives overlapped. But looks like you omitted any reference to DREAMS FROM MY FATHER contracts & manuscripts & published books & awards? Believe these events occurred in mid-1990s…
Someone else asked, “Why… it necessary to demonize Obama?”
November 4, 2009 @ 12:27 pmAnswer: Mr. O. is “demonizing” HIMSELF with his actions and his scary and suspect associations with other “demons.”
[...] really be an issue, though, if it weren’t for Obama’s habit of lying. For example, his having shared an office address with just some guy in the neighborhood. Surely that might have been relevant to an honest answer regarding his relations with Ayers. Surely [...]
November 27, 2009 @ 8:13 am[...] Barack Obama and Bill Ayers worked together on the Chicago Annenberg Challenge (CAC). Obama chaired the board that oversaw funding decisions and directed over one million dollars worth of grands to the Klonsky directed organization., CAC gave SSW a series of grants totaling $1,056,162. But that’s not all, the Joyce Foundation and the Woods Fund of Chicago, (Obama also sat on both boards), gave SSW another $912,556. [...]
May 10, 2010 @ 3:41 am[...] Chicago Youth Initiating Change (CYIC)…who funds them? It sounds exactly like the sort thing William Ayers and Mike Klonsky were into with their Small (commie) Schools Workshop, which was funded in part by the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, (chaired by [...]
May 22, 2010 @ 5:47 pm[...] “The real money is in the use of dispersements. There is a company called NALCO. Goldman Sachs, Blackstone and Apollo all purchased NALCO. NALCO is based in Chicago with subsidiaries in Brazil, Russia, India, China and Indonesia. NALCO is associated with the University of Chicago Argonne program. The Obamas both worked for the University of Chicago. UChicago Argonne received $164,000,000 in stimulus funds this past year and just added two new executives to its roster: one from NALCO, the other from the Illinois Department of Education. [...]
June 8, 2010 @ 11:28 am[...] “The real money is in the use of dispersements. There is a company called NALCO. Goldman Sachs, Blackstone and Apollo all purchased NALCO. NALCO is based in Chicago with subsidiaries in Brazil, Russia, India, China and Indonesia. NALCO is associated with the University of Chicago Argonne program. The Obamas both worked for the University of Chicago. UChicago Argonne received $164,000,000 in stimulus funds this past year and just added two new executives to its roster: one from NALCO, the other from the Illinois Department of Education. [...]
June 8, 2010 @ 9:03 pm[...] that Bill Ayers was “just some guy in his neighborhood.“However, this weekend, it was discovered that Barack Obama, terrorist Bill Ayers and Maoist hardliner Mike Klonsky worked together [...]
June 14, 2010 @ 1:42 pm[...] the Klonsky/Ayers Small Schools Workshop with a whopping $1,056,162. And that’s not all. Nearly another million dollars was steered to the Small Schools Workshop by the Joyce and Woods Funds when Obama sat on their [...]
July 14, 2010 @ 11:49 am[...] at least three years in the 1990’s, Barack Obama shared a business address with not only Bill Ayers but also Mike Klonsky, a Maoist. Co-founder of the Weather Underground, [...]
July 31, 2010 @ 10:10 am[...] at least three years in the 1990’s, Barack Obama shared a business address with not only Bill Ayers but also Mike Klonsky, a Maoist. Co-founder of the Weather Underground, [...]
July 31, 2010 @ 3:25 pm