Scott on April 24, 2008 at 12:01 am
From where things sit now, I don’t think it will be long now before the online discernment ministries begin to turn on each other. Ingrid Schleuter will shortly declare that Mike Ratliff is a closeted emergent Arminian. Mike Ratliff will proclaim that Ingrid Schleuter is a Catholic Pentecostal. Ken Silva will denounce them both as being members of the Ecumenical Church of Deceit. And Light House Trails will write an article unmasking them all as being members of the FLDS (Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints).
OK, so why the trip down fantasy lane? Because it seems that Ingrid’s cheese has finally slipped off her cracker. This time around she has chosen a rather dubious windmill to tilt at – Dr. Ravi Zacharias. And if she will go after this guy, she will go after anyone, even members of her own ODM posse.
Ravi Zacharias knows more about the Bible, the Christian faith, apologetics and philosophy than Ingrid could ever hope to know. Rather than sit back and take cheap shots and pot shots at anyone who doesn’t measure up to her subjective preferences and standards like Ingrid prefers to do, Ravi goes toe to toe and head to head with the lost and confused of the world â€“ atheists, agnostics, cults, and the theologically suspect. Rather than spew animosity and self-righteous indignation like Ingrid, Ravi presents solid, well-reasoned arguments based in both logic and the Bible.
To put it in the form of an analogy, Ingrid Schlueter is to Ravi Zacharias as a high school science teacher is to Albert Einstein.
Or to put it another way, in the area of defending the faith Zacharias is about as professional as one can get while Schleuter is bush league.
So what was the offense of Dr. Zacharias? What did he do that raised Ingrid’s ire? Simple. He offered this for the National Day of Prayer (gasp):
Holy Father, in a world where so many are hungry, You have given us food in abundance; In a world where so many are hurting, You offer to bind up our wounds;
In a world where so many are lonely, You offer friendship to every heart; In a world longing for peace, You offer hope.
Yet, we are so stubborn and resistant. Have mercy upon us, Lord. Our nation is at a crossroads this year; we look to you to be our strength and shield.
Please give us the guidance to elect one who will honor youand to respond to the wisdom from above so that our hope may be renewed and our blessings be treasured.
In God’s holy name.
Shocking, isn’t it? Horrific? Appalling? Well, it is to Ingrid who said:
“The 2008 Honorary Chairman of the National Day of Prayer, Dr. Ravi Zacharias, is refusing to pray in the name of Jesus Christ in his prayer posted on the official NDP website we do not pray in “God’s Holy Name” to God the Father. We pray to God the Father in the name of His only Son, Jesus Christ, who alone provides us access to the Father. It is appalling that Dr. Zacharias is willing to capitulate to the un-Scriptural, interfaith ecumenism and discard the name of Jesus To pray as “Christians” in any other way is both a farce and a mockery.”
Zacharias is REFUSING to pray in the name of Jesus Christ, Ingrid? Really? Where to do you find his refusal to do this? I agree that this prayer doesn’t use the phrase “in Jesus name,” but you say that he has REFUSED to pray in Jesus name? That would certainly seem odd since he takes a stand for Jesus every day.
Interesting. Now to be clear, you say:
” we do not pray in “God’s Holy Name” to God the Father. We pray to God the Father in the name of His only Son, Jesus Christ, who alone provides us access to the Father.”
I guess I agree to a certain extent with your description of prayer, and yet at the same time I’m not quite sure I agree. Are you saying that when I pray (I know you may question the validity of my Christian faith and thus the veracity of my prayers, but just go with it for a moment) when I pray I must always pray “to God the Father in the name of His only Son, Jesus Christ?” Must I always pray “In Jesus Name” for my prayers to be heard? That seems to be what you are saying. You seem to be dismissing the quality/veracity/validity of Dr. Zacharias’ prayer because you feel he has left something out at the end of it.
When I end my prayers I use the following “endings” interchangeably:
- In Jesus Name
- In Your Most Holy Name
- Thank you, Father
- I Love you, Father
- Through the Power of Your Spirit
- Through the Power of Your Name
- Thank you, Lord
If I use anything other than “In Jesus Name,” are my prayers invalid and/or unheard and/or not right before God? I sure would like to know, because if I am doing something wrong I should probably find out as soon as possible.
Is this what you do with your time, Ingrid? This is a “good use” of the time the Lord has given you on this earth? You look for fault in the prayer of a brother in Christ?
UPDATE/ADDITION: David Williams stopped by to comment and pointed out a HUGE hole in my post, a hole that I need to remedy. (I knew I was missing something, but at 1 a.m. I was a little fuzzy-headed!) Here’s what I forgot:
And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him. This, then, is how you should pray:
‘Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name,
your kingdom come,
your will be done
on earth as it is in heaven.
Give us today our daily bread.
Forgive us our debts,
as we also have forgiven our debtors.
And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from the evil one.’
Hmmm I wonder if Ingrid thinks something is missing from this prayer as well.
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